YES, flails for the win.

Yup, in Morrowind there are staves made from all the materials a sword could be made of too. Iron staff, glass staff, silver staff...

So REALLY, don't tell me hitting someone on the head with an iron staff would do the same dmg as hitting someone with a fist?


Also, if they'll introduce perks, I can easily see some disarming, hitting them in legs to knock 'em off, etc.

I would like to see a Tang Mo in Skyrim and teach us a new perk for staves but sadly its not likely.

And while they're at it, they should bring back throwing/one/two handed spears.

I don't mind melee staves, as long as it doesn't effect my spell staves. One of the few things I liked about Oblivion more than Morrowind was that staves were a spellcaster weapon instead of just a melee weapon.

I'd like it best if you had a staff equipped, you could not sling it across your back. Your character would use it as a walking stick.

Hell yeah that would be [censored]! And crossbows.

"Some people want special bows that take too long to load and need special arrows called bolts. M'aiq thinks they are idiots."

Piss off M'aiq.

This.

If my ancient High Elf wizard carries a staff he should walk with it, not run around with it strapped to his back.

His old arthritic joints can't reach that far back, damn it!

I have a nice compromise idea

How about if all staves (or scepters, wands etc..) would all be melee weapons, but if you cast a spell while a staff is equipped, the spell is cast through the staff.
Instead of having a spell enchant in a staff, staves would have a percentage to increase spell effectivines if cast with them ie. rarer staff = stronger the spell you cast

how about that eh?

AHAHAHAHA look up Silat or Eskrima and then tell me they didn't kill people with little sticks haha AHAHA, they held off the entire Spanish army with little sticks

I liked the rocket-launcher staves in Oblivion. They still enabled my low-magicka characters to use spells that they could never dream of using without one, but were much more versatile than the ones in Morrowind in that they could be used from across the room.

Yes! Bring back staffs.

Also, make different kinds of staffs, like in Morrowind. All the staffs in Oblivion looked the same, this needs to be fixed.

Yeah, definatly. I don't see the problem in replacing Oblivion's style of staff with a wand, or something similar.

You read my mind! If only Bethesda could.

YESYESYES thank you! read my mind as well. This would actually WORK, too...

Non-enchanted staffs/staves = Fallen one's idea.
Enchanted staffs/staves = use that specific spell (target, touch, strike, etc).
Both non-enchanted and enchanted staffs/staves = can be used as melee weapons.

Well, this wouldn't be problematic for the PC players who could just map an additional function to one of countless keyboard keys.

Perhaps staves would use melee behavior by default, and would cast if you attack whilst holding block? Kind of like a "ready" stance.

@ Frank237

Staves are actually quite deadly weapons. Gentlemen in England could hit you just right and burst your temple, or trip you and proceed to beat you. They could break an arm or a knee cap with a good whack. http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2YXNRH/ejmas.com/jnc/jncart_barton-wright_0200.htm/r:f

And that's with a WALKING STICK. A good, stout walking stick mind, but a walking stick. What do you think a man-length arm-thick piece of oak in the right hands might be capable of?

Big metal rod + head = very much dead, if you hit them hard enough you might even dent the helmet and splatter some greymatter. I'm sorry but big heavy 6 foot poles are brutally effective in the same way big heavy clubs are.

Both true and false, staves -can- be effective weapons, but there is a reason they were never implimented on the battlefield and that is the light weight staves could not cause as much damage per swing as a mace. Sorry but that's just fact. I'm not saying I am against being able to use staves as melee weapons again, but I am if it's at the expense of losing staves that can hurl spells.

Being that old wandered with my iron/wooden staff, going around, beating the crap out of youngling who dont show respect to their elders... Ah...
Also, magic staves that can shot magic shouldnt be any different from weapons enchanted with damage on hit. Why in gods name would a staff fire magic better than for example a sword or something else?

Ranged on Hit/Swing FTW!

Martial arts are pretty ineffective when you're opponent is in full plate armor :toughninja:

I had to retire one of my Morrowind characters just because of the skills they removed. He was a martial artist of sorts, who used staves and was a master of taking blows without wearing armor. He himself rarely used magic, but he was an enchanter and used enchanted rings/necklaces for ranged attacks. That would have been hard to replicate in Oblivion...

So yeah I want melee staves back. And they ARE deadly in martial combat when wielded by a master.



EDIT: EtherealShadow, you make a point about them being less effective against dudes in full plate armor, but realistically so would any other weapon. Plate armor was pretty much impenetrable unless you manage to hit a weak spot in the enemy's defenses. Blunt eapons were actually far more effective on enemies with chain mail, since bladed weapons could not pierce it. If you wanted the game to function realistically, enemies in full plate would be slow and lumbering, but difficult to take down regardless of weapon used. Plate armor was not used frequently in the middle ages because of the high price.

Tell that to the original inhabitants of Okinowa when the Japanese invaded.

Okinowan = mostly naked man with stick.
Japanese Samurai = man with armor and wicked sharp sword, or spear.

There were many, many dead samurai in that invasion.

Granted, I don't think that samurai armor counts a plate mail, but still, it was armor nontheless. Didn't help them too much anyways.

The real question is, How do I shot magicka?

Fallen One's idea is good, all staves to be melee and pick the spell that you want to shoot through your staff.