This could actually work quite well using the new Smithing skill!

I agree. I think the animations have the potentail to be amazing in Skyrim. Imagine the scene at the beginning of the trailer seen through the eyes of a Khajiit or an Argonian if they indeed do have more unique ways of getting about as per OP. That would be just awesome!

Yeah, I liked wearing boots as a Khajiit in Oblivion I'd like to keep it that way.

On the other hand the Morrowind style had its own charm to it, so I could accept a compromise.

I'm still unsure about female Argonian briasts though...

Well, I was looking for a picture on the internet from the GI article (recent one) of Skyrim, because their's a picture of a humanoid, with an argonian looking head, but not argonian from OB, but argonian enough to be a new take on it. It is the same tunnel with the character duel wielding a sword and wand, but now their is a shot of that same tunnel/character from like 5-10 or 15 feet away, and it also sort of looks like the character who draws out the sword at the blue wisp things (and with the wand thing, it might be a different character holding similar items, I don't know...)

I never said that it was a big deal (gameplay wise), it was just silly.


That's one of the things I really liked about Morrowind, you felt like a stranger in a strange world. I hope we get that again in Skyrim, not matter our race.

Exactly! They've said they are trying to make all the races more unique than they have been, so I *think* it's safe to say beast races will be awesome :thumbsup:

Also, Hungry Donner got me curious earlier in the thread. So, I went into Daggerfall and made myself a female Argonian real quick. They did in fact have briasts. Or chest "bumps" anyway. Apparently they changed it in Morrowind then reverted it back in Oblivion.

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo360/relvain/Forumz/argonianfemale.jpg I'd say that's totally safe for work. They are like a barbie doll. No "nipbles" or anything like the humans or mer. If anyone deems it inappropriate PM me and I'll take it down. Or a mod will.

That was one thing I really loved as well. That feeling of vulnerability the first time you stepped off the boat and into Seyda Neen, or the first time you entered a bandit cave when you were still at level 1. The atmosphere, the sense of real danger, and the way you could get really lost in the world were just incredible. If that can all be brought back to life again in Skyrim then I think we are really all in for a real treat.

I haven't played Morrowind for myself yet, but I've seen gameplay videos, and the first thought I had in response to the Beasts was "how did they think this was a good idea". Bipeds don't work that way, their ankles would snap. They also wouldn't walk that way, especially the Khajiit. "Feline grace", wot? Something similar to how the Ronso from ffx were done would be good for a feline digitigrade biped. The proportions are pretty much the same as a plantigrade leg, but they don't have the big human heels and the feet are wider and ankles are thicker to accommodate their weight, as well as muscle mass being slightly redistributed to make it easier to get down on all fours.

I read on wiki that Black Marsh and Elsweyr ceseeded from the empire, that could be a reason for some people to distrust the two beast races.

It does seem possible that this could actually be in the game after all...

I could not play a Khajiit in third person in Morrowind as it made me seasick.


They have briast is because they have to use the common mesh for female clothing.
I just found a legitimate use of a briast morph in Skyrim :whistling: to remove the briasts on Argonians.

I agree, the legs would be far more straight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8c-YYdB4g shows an animation I made, ideally the knee should be even higher, but main effect is that the shin is shorter and the foot part is longer.

A compromise between Morrowind and Oblivion model together would be better as some people are spilt among the two, or a complete new model would do just fine for Skyrim. Wasn't a big fan of the Morrowind models though.

As long as they don't end up looking like people wearing masks as per Oblivion!

I agree, the problem with a more realistic model is that it moved the heel joint upwards, this will give problems with pants, and it did with my 3d models.
Morrowind’s model avoided this problem but could look better.

Argonians should look like velociraptors when sprinting (leaned forward, using tail for balance) and Kahjiits should go down on all fours like a big cat(I think it looks like a puma)

Indeed. The tail is very useful in motion, in Oblivion it just looks like a useless luggage they carry around.

I hope that the Khajiit's Night Eye is an automatic effect which activates in dark areas. You would know it's on because your eyes gradually adjust to the darkness.

Maybe it could be an disadvantage as well? You could use a light spell to 'blind' or 'spotlight' animals like in real life (spotlighting).

a sword in one hand, shield in the other and sprinting on all fours . . . yeah, thatll work

While I agree Khajiit and Argonians should be more unique, it seems that the OP got a little excessive with the unique abilities. I mean, bullet time seems a little overpowered to be a racial ability, unless you get a really strong disadvantage to compensate, and no, not being able to wear boots and full helms doesn't cut it. I'd like to see a return of Morrowind's legs if possible, bit even if they go with Oblivion's design, which is to say, like other races except with different head meshes, textures and a tail, they at least need to bring back claws, preferably with a bonus to hand to hand damage, that doesn't sound too unreasonable to me.



That's because the animations were bad, and ALL of Morrowind's character animations were horrible. Get better animators to do it, and I'm sure they can come up with something more presentable.

I know having a thought process is probably a foreign concept to you, but here is mine.
The sword could be sheathed and the shield fastened on his back(DA:O)
try thinking for a minute before you just jump on the opportunity to try and make someone else look stupid.

lol the butthurtedness is strong with this one

you can cast light spells in real life

I do that sometimes!

I just thoght that these abilities would me pretty cool. Maybe all of the races could have abilities at or near to this level, which would make the races all more unique and would be a big one up for multiple playthroughs.

Bullet Time? I dont think so...

The beast version of Argonians and Khajiits in Morrowind was FAR better than Oblivion's version.

I think they have to be similar to Morrowind and not Oblivion. In my game i use a lot of mods to make they look similar to Morrowind :/

Argonians and khajiits with claws and an unique H2H attack, walk anims, helmets and boots (or shoes)... THAT make me happy.

And this add more variety to the world!

Please bethesda listen us!