I broke it! :( : III

» Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:07 am

I guess I should first point out that I'm using the Steam version of Morrowind, so my file path is different (it's C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\morrowind). That could make a difference.

Anyway, I managed to break Morrowind again after just having done a clean install yesterday. It was working pretty well (although some mods that didn't use ESPs just weren't doing anything) until I started moving things around with Wrye Mash, and now it's not working at all.

Also, the load order I have setup in Wrye Mash hasn't carried over to my Morrowind config file and I don't know why (which could be the problem?). So when I post the mod list my load order's going to look scrambled and just nonsensical, but I assure you it doesn't look that bad in Wrye.

MODS
GameFile0=Bloodmoon Landscape Overhaul 1.0.esm
GameFile1=Bloodmoon.esm
GameFile2=Book Rotate.esm
GameFile3=Hilgya the Seamstress.esm
GameFile4=MCA.esm
GameFile5=Morrowind Patch v1.6.3.esm
GameFile6=Morrowind.esm
GameFile7=SG-MW-ecology-BM.esm
GameFile8=THE Morrowind NPC Makeover.esm
GameFile9=TR_Data.esm
GameFile10=TR_Map1.esm
GameFile11=Tribunal.esm
GameFile12=Ascadian Rose Cottage v1.1 PATCH [Korana, ed. Dark Diva, fixed].esp
GameFile13=Ascadian Rose Cottage v1.1 [Korana, ed. Dark Diva, fixed].esp
GameFile14=BB Dark Brotherhood by Westly.esp
GameFile15=BB2_Peasant_Gowns.esp
GameFile16=BLLDV_ALL.esp
GameFile17=Better Bodies.esp
GameFile18=Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
GameFile19=Book Jackets - Bloodmoon - BookRotate.esp
GameFile20=Book Jackets - Morrowind - BookRotate.esp
GameFile21=Book Jackets - Tribunal - BookRotate.esp
GameFile22=Book Rotate - Bloodmoon v5.3.esp
GameFile23=Book Rotate - Morrowind v1.1.esp
GameFile24=Book Rotate - Tribunal v5.3.esp
GameFile25=Corean_Hair_in_Morrowind.esp
GameFile26=Drug Realism.esp
GameFile27=Fliggerty's Armor Project 2.esp
GameFile28=Improved_No_Glow_v1-MW_Trib_Blood.esp
GameFile29=Kaylas_Kick-Knacks.esp
GameFile30=Key Replacer MW.esp
GameFile31=Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp
GameFile32=MCA - Guards Patch.esp
GameFile33=MCA - More Enemies.esp
GameFile34=MCA - NOM Patch.esp
GameFile35=MCA - Vampire Realism Patch.esp
GameFile36=MN_Breton_Vampires_1_v2.esp
GameFile37=MN_Breton_Vampires_2_v2.esp
GameFile38=MN_Breton_Vampires_3_v2.esp
GameFile39=MN_DarkElf_Vampires_1_v2.esp
GameFile40=MN_DarkElf_Vampires_2_v2.esp
GameFile41=MN_DarkElf_Vampires_3_v2.esp
GameFile42=MN_DarkElf_Vampires_4_v2.esp
GameFile43=MN_HighElf_Vampires_1v2.esp
GameFile44=MN_HighElf_Vampires_2v2.esp
GameFile45=MN_HighElf_Vampires_3v2.esp
GameFile46=MN_HighElf_Vampires_4v2.esp
GameFile47=MN_Redguard_Vampires_1v2.esp
GameFile48=MN_Redguard_Vampires_2v2.esp
GameFile49=MN_Redguard_Vampires_3v2.esp
GameFile50=MN_WoodElf_Vampires_1v2.esp
GameFile51=MN_WoodElf_Vampires_2v2.esp
GameFile52=MN_WoodElf_Vampires_3v2.esp
GameFile53=MN_WoodElf_Vampires_4v2.esp
GameFile54=Marksman Enhanced v1.2.esp
GameFile55=NOM 2.13.esp
GameFile56=Nymeria's Faster Walk.esp
GameFile57=Nymeria's Monthly Respawn.esp
GameFile58=SG-MW-ecology-BM-plugin.esp
GameFile59=Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
GameFile60=THE Morrowind NPC Makeover.esp
GameFile61=Vampire Realism II - BM Add-On.esp
GameFile62=Vampire Realism II - TB Add-On.esp
GameFile63=Vampire Realism II.esp
GameFile64=Westly Presents-Dremora Markynaz.esp
GameFile65=Westly Presents-Night Song Armour.esp
GameFile66=Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
GameFile67=Windows Glow.esp
GameFile68=entertainers.esp

WARNINGS
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_1.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_5.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_extrav_2_f.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_5.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_4.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_4.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_4.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_4.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_4.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_5.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_1.
Model Load Error: Meshes\Soti\Soti-Dre-MH05.nif cannot load file in Meshes\Soti\Soti-Dre-MH05.nif.
Will use the default object Marker_Error.NIF.

So apparently there's some problem with Better Clothes that I wasn't having before, and I'm not sure what the other error is from.
My save file just stopped working altogether, so I tried starting a new game and Jiub's head is missing. Guess there's something wrong there too.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, because this is getting frustrating.

» Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:41 pm

So apparently there's some problem with Better Clothes that I wasn't having before, and I'm not sure what the other error is from.
My save file just stopped working altogether, so I tried starting a new game and Jiub's head is missing. Guess there's something wrong there too.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, because this is getting frustrating.

Foot/ankle errors for Better Clothes are normal (my warnings text file keeps disappearing, so I can't compare the two to see if those are typical errors, but I think they are), but I don't recall getting any about Soti meshes. I just checked my mesh folder and didn't see Soti meshes anywhere, so I don't think that one's better clothes. Judging by the Dre part of the name, that may mean Dreamers (Soti's Better Dreamers, http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5056 )

I know its not in your mod list, but did you run it before?

» Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:15 am

I haven't used it, though it's possible one of the face packs I downloaded is using Soti's Dreamer meshes.

» Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:45 pm

I haven't used it, though it's possible one of the face packs I downloaded is using Soti's Dreamer meshes.

That might be it. It may be looking for the mesh in the wrong place (I only have a vague idea of how to fix that, being new to modding as it is) or missing from your face pack?

» Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:11 am

Possibly. It could have something to do with me downloading multiple face packs. Some literally just weren't doing anything (some NPCs would have new faces, but most were using defaults), although I know I installed them properly. Same with Visual Pack XT and a few other texture replacers.

Maybe I'll just reinstall and try yet again.

» Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:32 pm

I'd try reinstalling and maybe creating a new char to see if you still experience crashes on it (if it does, then its not just your save trying to find something that doesn't exist).

» Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:47 pm

Double post. Blame Sheogorath.

» Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:34 am

@mollygos
Since you're using the Steam version of Morrowind, did you remember to backdate the base bsa files to year 2002? It's needed so that replacer mods will be recognized otherwise the base files get priority due to the fact that they inherit the datestamp of the bsa, and that datestamp will be when you installed the steam version.

You can get the correct load order in Wrye Mash by doing the following:
* Open the 'Saves' tab
* Select the current save
* Right click on the lower right frame that lists that save's plugins
* Select 'Copy List' then paste to your post

» Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:33 am

I guess I could try that. I think I'll just mess around with some of the face pack mods and see if that fixes the problem, since it seems to be the source.

Question though: If Wrye Mash says the load order goes a certain way, and Morrowind.INI has it all scrambled...is that bad? What can I do about that?

@tetchy
Ohh, no I didn't. That's actually really helpful, thanks!

Load Order (according to Wrye)

Masters for Lucy0000.ess:
001 Morrowind.esm
002 Tribunal.esm
003 Bloodmoon.esm
004 TR_Data.esm
005 TR_Map1.esm
006 TR_Map2.esm
007 Hilgya the Seamstress.esm
008 MCA.esm
009 Bloodmoon Landscape Overhaul 1.0.esm
010 Book Rotate.esm
011 SG-MW-ecology-BM.esm
012 Morrowind Patch v1.6.3.esm
013 NOM 2.13.esp (Version 2.13-02)
014 SG-MW-ecology-BM-plugin.esp
015 Better Bodies.esp
016 Fliggerty's Armor Project 2.esp
017 Vampire Realism II.esp (Version 2.2)
018 Book Rotate - Morrowind v1.1.esp
019 Book Rotate - Tribunal v5.3.esp
020 Book Rotate - Bloodmoon v5.3.esp
021 BLLDV_ALL.esp
022 Nymeria's Monthly Respawn.esp
023 entertainers.esp
024 Nymeria's Faster Walk.esp
025 Windows Glow.esp
026 Key Replacer MW.esp
027 Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp
028 Vampire Realism II - TB Add-On.esp
029 Vampire Realism II - BM Add-On.esp
030 BB2_Peasant_Gowns.esp
031 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp (Version 1.0)
032 Drug Realism.esp
033 Kaylas_Kick-Knacks.esp
034 Improved_No_Glow_v1-MW_Trib_Blood.esp
035 Book Jackets - Morrowind - BookRotate.esp
036 Book Jackets - Tribunal - BookRotate.esp
037 Book Jackets - Bloodmoon - BookRotate.esp
038 Westly Presents-Night Song Armour.esp
039 Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
040 MCA - Guards Patch.esp
041 MCA - More Enemies.esp
042 MCA - NOM Patch.esp
043 MCA - Vampire Realism Patch.esp
044 BB Dark Brotherhood by Westly.esp
045 Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
046 Corean_Hair_in_Morrowind.esp
047 Westly Presents-Dremora Markynaz.esp
048 Ascadian Rose Cottage v1.1 PATCH [Korana, ed. Dark Diva, fixed].esp
049 Ascadian Rose Cottage v1.1 [Korana, ed. Dark Diva, fixed].esp
050 MN_Imperial_Vampires_1_v2.esp
051 MN_Imperial_Vampires_2_v1.esp
052 MN_Imperial_Vampires_2_v2.esp
053 MN_WoodElf_Vampires_3v2.esp
054 Canopy Beds.esp
055 Furniture Resource.esp
056 MN_WoodElf_Vampires_1v2.esp
057 MN_Breton_Vampires_1_v1.esp
058 MN_Imperial_Vampires_1_v1.esp
059 MN_Breton_Vampires_1_v2.esp
060 MN_Breton_Vampires_2_v1.esp
061 MN_Breton_Vampires_2_v2.esp
062 MN_Breton_Vampires_3_v1.esp
063 MN_Breton_Vampires_3_v2.esp
064 MN_Breton_Vampires_Modders.esp
065 MN_DarkElf_Vampires_1_v1.esp
066 MN_DarkElf_Vampires_1_v2.esp
067 MN_DarkElf_Vampires_2_v1.esp
068 MN_DarkElf_Vampires_2_v2.esp
069 MN_DarkElf_Vampires_3_v1.esp
070 MN_DarkElf_Vampires_3_v2.esp
071 MN_DarkElf_Vampires_4_v1.esp
072 MN_DarkElf_Vampires_4_v2.esp
073 MN_HighElf_Vampires_1v1.esp
074 MN_HighElf_Vampires_1v2.esp
075 MN_HighElf_Vampires_2v1.esp
076 MN_HighElf_Vampires_2v2.esp
077 MN_HighElf_Vampires_3v1.esp
078 MN_HighElf_Vampires_3v2.esp
079 MN_HighElf_Vampires_4v1.esp
080 MN_HighElf_Vampires_4v2.esp
081 MN_Redguard_Vampires_1v1.esp
082 MN_Redguard_Vampires_1v2.esp
083 MN_Redguard_Vampires_2v1.esp
084 MN_Redguard_Vampires_2v2.esp
085 MN_Redguard_Vampires_3v1.esp
086 MN_Redguard_Vampires_3v2.esp
087 MN_WoodElf_Vampires_1v1.esp
088 MN_WoodElf_Vampires_2v1.esp
089 MN_WoodElf_Vampires_2v2.esp
090 MN_WoodElf_Vampires_3v1.esp
091 MN_WoodElf_Vampires_4v1.esp
092 MN_WoodElf_Vampires_4v2.esp

» Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:01 pm

Question though: If Wrye Mash says the load order goes a certain way, and Morrowind.INI has it all scrambled...is that bad? What can I do about that?

No worries there, the INI file does not list the plugin files by load order, they get listed alphabetically there. There is no way to change that, so don't worry yourself on it

» Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:38 pm

No worries there, the INI file does not list the plugin files by load order, they get listed alphabetically there. There is no way to change that, so don't worry yourself on it

Ohhh. Wow, I probably should've noticed that. haha
Thanks.

edit:
I'm silly. I didn't install The Facepack Compilation to go along with The Morrowind NPC Makeover, and therein lies my missing-heads problem.

Still, I backdated the Morrowind, Tribunal and Bloodmoon BSAs to 2002 and I'm still not seeing the effects of some texture packs.

» Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:23 pm

Couple of things:

018 Book Rotate - Morrowind v1.1.esp
You don't need this as you have Tribunal and Bloodmoon. Check the readme

026 Key Replacer MW.esp
027 Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp
You only need #027, check the readme

Where do all those "MN_*_Vampires_*.esp" plugins come from?

» Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:14 pm

Couple of things:

018 Book Rotate - Morrowind v1.1.esp
You don't need this as you have Tribunal and Bloodmoon. Check the readme

026 Key Replacer MW.esp
027 Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp
You only need #027, check the readme

Where do all those "MN_*_Vampires_*.esp" plugins come from?

Oh, thanks. I probably should check readmes more often.

The Vampire esps are from Vampire Visages. It just came with a [censored]ton of ESPs for each race-- to be honest, I probably didn't load those properly either. I'll check the readme.