Is it true that in the original write-up that House could be convinced to deal with the Brotherhood of Steel diplomatically, or is that just a rumor? Because I had heard that if you had a high enough reputation with the BoS and/or were a member, there was originally an option to handle things that way, but that got cut from the game. Is that true or not? Because according to this: http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37729 it's cut content that is reinstated by that mod.

It is true, remnants of this remain in the games development files. This option was cut because they didnt want any faction to be a clear cut faction, to put blood on each factions hands.

It got cut, and I'm glad it did. It was a relationship that would never have worked out.

Destroing an organization such as the Brotherhood hardly qualifies as "blood on hands" Same as justifying greyness of a faction by having it oppose the Fiends!

While I agree. It still remains that there are quite a few people who like the BOS.

Which makes it all the more sweet if they are dead set on supporting House and get that slapped in their face.



Agreed. And it would have made House out to be less of the cold-calculating "take no chances" kind of person he is. Which is something I like about him.

Who? Nobody here as far as I can tell. I dont see anybody. Anyways, they could never peacefully co exist. House is everything the BoS is against and vice versa. For them to leave each other alone it would be a contradiction in doctrine. Although that still would've been interesting. Maybe a temporary alliance would've made sense so they could kick the NCR and the Legion out of the Mojave area but that's are as far as it could go I think.

Well there may not be that many who actively support and defend their goals, but I believe there are quite a few who just generally like them and wouldn't want to blow up their only bunker in the mojave.



I don't even think a temporary alliance would have really worked, House seems to be not only opposed to them as an adversary, but he seems generally ideologically opposed to them as well.

yeah... the brotherhood is a little ridiculous

I am glad it was cut, however I wish there was an option to bring House a suit of power armor and some energy weapons, it would've made it seem like he had a big long term plan for a powerful army that would require the destruction of the Brotherhood of Steel to make possible.

I'm glad it was cut. Those morons would never agree to work for Mr. House simply because they are too dumb. We're talking about a faction that will die under any circumstances just so they can have their shiny.

They had their zenith back when Fallout 3 was still new (still bear a grudge for trolling Enclave fanclub and getting it locked :swear: ) but its reputation has diminished once NV came out and people started realizing Lyons' BoS isn't so good as one would like to believe.

BoS supporters are like the faction itself. I know several users here who used to advertise their BoS zeal, but now have moved on and picked bigger, sturdier boats. A dying fanclub and glad it's so, I was getting sick of the Brotherhood being the lil' favorite puppy of the series, a faction that always got the best without doing anything.

It kinda makes you think that the writers want people not to like them for whatever reason.

In my first playthrough, that turned out badly for him. I had decided to support House, and also had done all the BoS missions and been made a Paladin. Then House wants me to go wipe them out. :nope: Once I exhausted all dialog and realized there was no way he was going to relent I exited dialog, and found my way down to his life support chamber and ended him with a RCW. I just couldn't do it. Eventually, I did blow them up for my House and Legion run but I hated every moment of it.

Its not that, a well written faction war will have every faction be a little bad so that people can choose which bad aspects outweigh the good.

Its how they made everything neutral.



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I killed House once and felt terrible about it, it was the first time I ever felt bad about doing something evil in a videogame (I didn't even blink when I sold Bryan Wilks into slavery in F3).

However I could kill the BoS without a second thought.

I understand that but their loyalty to the Codex at the expense of their success as a faction really makes them look like fools. People cant respect that.

They were made to be very loyal to their beliefs, that's their negative, they are not open to change unless they leave the influence of the Elders (like the MWBoS and the CWBoS did).

Paladin Facehugger: "Why do you want to kill them?"

House: "Why? They're ridiculous!"

Paladin Facehugger: [BOS] *Frowns.*

Challenge completed: A Slave Obeys.



It is, however, an immensely realistic and human failing.

Besides, MacNamarra is apparently willing to change his chapter's ways, going by the NCR truce ending.

They're loyal to their charter called the codex. If the codex told them that all the Paladins had to once a year remove the butt-shield from their T-51b power armor and take turns spanking each other with a nailboard, they would do it because the codex told them to do so.

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That is completely true. That actually sounds like a very funny prank, re-writing the Codex so they do something stupid.

They obey the Codex as if it were their god's written words on exactly how to live life, which it might as well be.

Sounds like something Veronica might do. Anyway, I was suprised that she didn't bring up Lyons or the Midwest Brotherhood when arguing with Elder McNamara. Like saying "This is exactly why Lyons did what he did" or something along those lines. But if the brotherhood cannot be changed to suit House's needs, which would have made a hell of a quest, then they have to be gotten rid of.

That it does.

I doubt she would've brought up members who are considered traitors in fear that it would cause him to feel her arguement is the same thinking as a traitor's.

I doubt House would ever agree to that, he would rather take their power armor and have you kill them. Which is fine but the BoS would never agree to it.

Lord knows Mr. House just can't wait to get ahold of their power armor.



He's right. The BoS is strongly opposed to being killed. Even the Codex says "don't be killed." They'd never agree to it.

The BoS wasn't that bad in FO1 or 2. Heck, the good ending for FO1 says that the BoS helped the wasteland rebuild by slowly reintroducing old world technology. It's implied that FO2 at least partially followed that ending. The whole reason why the BoS became so paranoid was because the hardline faction, led by a descendent of the BoS founder, gained power. Unfortunately, that was established in Van Buren and only a few of those details made it into NV.

Considering how the BoS has changed over the years, there's no reason why they can't change to become more reasonable like in FO2 or the good FO1 ending.

Mr. House making the BoS into an enemy does not seem like a smart move in the long run since the BoS is probably one of two or three factions in the entire wasteland that has the technology and the capability to infiltrate the Lucky 38 and assassinate Mr. House.

He only openly makes them into an enemy when he sends the Courier to kill them, wiping out all of their power in the Mojave and with every other chapter as bad off as it seems they would be House is as safe as possible from them.

thats all fine and dandy but...Boomers>BoS... I mean the BoS has no purpose anymore, they don't do any good and they haven't changed the codex, which contradicts what FO1 and 2 say about them re-introducing tech.