A Brotherhood Reborn

Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:56 pm

Lucien does his job; he watches for at least a couple hours before leaving his post. He's a teenager, he got bored, so he left after convincing himself it was the right thing to do. I didn't explain it as best I could, but I can't think of a very good way to throw a few clarifying comments in.

As to the Brotherhood's response, I am very hesitant to change it right now. If I hadn't already planned everything out then I might change it, but as it is it would be unwise. It would have made sense for the dinosaur to eat the main characters in Jurassic Park when it had the chance, but it didn't because that would ruin the story. Likewise, if any of the main antagonists at this point were killed it would ruin quite a bit of my plans. I might kill the guard captain before I leave the city though...

But if you really need a justification, how's this: the Listener is very cautious and doesn't want the government (the Emperor) to know, as the Count hasn't sent word to any higher authority yet, determined to take care of it himself. Likewise, the Listener believes that the Count doesn't know where they are and pose no significant threat so long as everyone stay indoors (besides Louis and Lucien). He wants to collect a little information before he mounts a full assault or retreat (it's been less than forty eight hours since the guards killed Sadon).

The next chapter should reveal quite a bit about the plot, and then the chapter after that will make everything clear (well, a lot of it). And then there is only one chapter left in this portion of the story (six chapters and an epilogue so far).

Thanks for the advice though, I'll tweak the plan a little bit :goodjob:


EDIT: I see I never mentioned your advice over Louis' response to Lucien's failure, my mistake. I thought I threw in a bit about the mission euphoria still being in effect, and I like Louis being a good guy. Next chapter he'll criticize him, but in that one he's just glad he's okay. Once again, it's just like last time. Though I'll be sure to come down hard on him next chapter ;)
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:29 am

Argh! I keep seeing you have posted and come to read the next chapter! Your post above has tripped me up all day, lol. When do we get to see more?
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:03 pm

Ah, sorry my friend ^_^ Though I'm glad you are eager for more. I hope my last post didn't tantalize you too much with information about the future plot plans. I should be able to write up a chapter this weekend, or maybe even tomorrow (though I will probably spend Tuesday catching up with "The Hunted").

Thanks :D
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:23 am

Ah, sorry my friend ^_^ Though I'm glad you are eager for more. I hope my last post didn't tantalize you too much with information about the future plot plans. I should be able to write up a chapter this weekend, or maybe even tomorrow (though I will probably spend Tuesday catching up with "The Hunted").

Thanks :D



You did it again! Lol. I saw you had posted and flew over!
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:21 am

Well, it isn't exactly a full chapter, but since Malx was so determined to read one I might as well post what I have :)


[snip]

Moved chapter to later post, condensing three miniatures so as to make more sense. Thank you :)



I know I'm really making the two protagonists really kind and lighthearted for assassins, but I can't help but make them nice guys. I love the master-apprentice relationship so much, I always seem to want them to be friendly and understanding of one another. Really, Louis is Lucien's adoptive father (even though Louis is only in his late twenties), and I know my dad only gives me jokes and smiles when he gets mad. And if I really screwed up then I get a serious talk, somewhat like Louis gave at the beginning of the chapter. So it's probably just my emotional experiences filtering into my story, and I'm sorry if you don't like how "goody two shoes" these assassins are. Their hearts should harden soon, trust me ;)


EDIT: Thanks for the kind words, Malx. I'm glad you like the story :D I tried to pay special attention to detail this chapter, seeing as how everything else was dialogue and their respective tags. The next chapter is even more dialogue :celebrate: Though I don't mind because I get to let the Listener speak, and I always have fun writing his lines.
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:41 am

The way I see it, even evil people can do good things, and good people can do evil things. No one is all bad or all good.

Thank you for my fix, lol. I am always amazed at how much detail you can get in without the reader realizing it, it just sinks in and I can visualize it all without being conscious of having read through a description! You have a really creative mind, and I am hooked on your story! (sorry for bugging you to get another chapter, but then again...I'm not! lol.)
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:56 pm

Erm...

Sorry to be such a nitpick, but..

'...reading a few of my translations."

You mean decryptions. The term for coding a message is encryption, and its antonym a decryption.
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:54 am

I finally got around to reading this. I love a good assassin story, and this is a good assassin story.

First off, the characters. You made Lucien... cheery. And excitable. Honestly, I was surprised by how much that seems to fit: the Lucien we know has always been rather zealous and eager to please Sithis. I'm not so sure about what Louis's personality is... all I can figure is that he's somewhat perfectionistic (the hair thing after coming inside in the first chapter was a nice touch) and he's oddly protective of his apprentice. It makes me want to know more about their history. The rest of Louis's personality seems... understated, I guess. Remember that every character (assassins especially, with their heightened potential for uberness!) needs flaws and hobbies. Make sure he's a character who happens to be an assassin, not an assassin who happens to be a character.

And I know this was a while ago... but I can't leave this verb tense thing alone. Especially since I'm the assistance you seem to have asked for. :lol:

EDIT: As to my tense grammar, I think I am actually telling it in something other than true past tense. I refer to things with "was" and other verbs ending in "-ed", but I am fairly confident that something like this is correct:

"Ready, Lucien?" Louis whispered, pulling his cloth mask down to speak.

Whispered is technically in past tense, but pulling is in present. Yet somehow, I feel that this can still be acceptable in storytelling. Are you guys referring to other things, or am I just crazy? Because I honestly don't know verb agreement very well; believe it or not grammar is my weakest point. We hadn't covered any of this in Literature class, and it is something you rarely see on this forum. I think I'll go ask for assistance :)


They're referring to other things.

That example is past tense... the whole thing is "true" past tense, as you called it. The first part of that example sets the tense, since it's the independent clause ("Louis whispered"... subject + verb = independent clause). Because the second part ("pulling his mask down to speak") describes the independent clause, and is a dependent clause in itself (no subject), its tense is a non-issue. I actually forget what that particular tense is called, but rest assured it's grammatically correct.

The tense issue D.Foxy was referring to was when the tense of your story as a whole shifted... aka your independent clauses shifted from past to present, then back to past. You can usually catch it by looking for it on your reread... and I haven't noticed it happen lately.

For example, take this line:

"At last, when Louis began to fear he will return to the sanctuary empty handed, he finds a curious looking letter in the bottom drawer."

The independent clause here is actually "he finds a curious looking letter in the bottom drawer" (since it has no conditional words like "when" in front of it). See how this independent clause is present tense, when the entire rest of the story is in past? It's easy to fix it... simply write: "At last, when Louis began to fear he will return to the sanctuary empty handed, he found a curious looking letter in the bottom drawer." Done... no fuss, no muss.

That's what D.Foxy was talking about. Hope that clarifies things. If not, ask and I'll try to put it in a different way :goodjob:
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:03 am

Erm...

Sorry to be such a nitpick, but..

'...reading a few of my translations."

You mean decryptions. The term for coding a message is encryption, and its antonym a decryption.


Ah, my mistake ;)


Thanks Sparrow, I see what you guys mean now. I thought I was doing it every other time with the whole present dependant clauses thing, but now I know it's just some stupid errors :twirl: I'm used to writing in both tenses, so sometimes I guess I get them confused.

As to the whole character thing, it has got to be one of my biggest issues. My characters all seem to end up the same, kind of sarcastic and serious, but at the same time they are usually very kind. The only time one of my characters was not like this was the prequel to my Dark King's story, and then he was an anti hero, the guard was the real hero. I just can't get a feel for their personality, and thus I tend to substitute an idealized version of my own. I added that OCD thing early on and have not put in a mention of it again yet :facepalm: I think I have Lucien's down, but with Louis, ugh, I just don't even know who he is. In past stories I had gotten to know them within about a dozen chapters, but then my first ones were still flat and inconsistent. I'll try to edit those past ones extensively over the weekend, and throw in some little characterizing details.

Thanks a lot, guys :D I really appreciate the help.
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:53 am

Cool story. :goodjob: I'll leave the critiquing for the able members.
I can't help but feeling the master - apprentice thing is very much like Obi-Wan and Anakin and not in a bad way.
I keep saying, an assassin is not an evil person. That is very clear in this story.
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:13 am

I'm really enjoying this story. It has an immediate pulling effect on my brain and eyes and most of all my attention. However, I see that your biggest flaw, and it really is a very small deal but with a huge impact on the quality, is your uncanny use of switching tenses. Don't do it. Stay in one tense. But trust me, I am also writing a story on this site and I know how easy it is to fall into the habitual state of trying to make things sound as if they're happening now, so don't get me wrong when I say that it is something you need to work on because, quite frankly, I suffer from it as well.

Keep up the great work. I'll be keeping up with your story. KUDOS!
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:09 pm

Thank you very much :) I know my tenses are messed up, and I plan on doing some major editing on Halloween (too old to trick or treat, sadly ;)) and perhaps a new chapter this weekend as well, seeing how the last one was so short. The current book only has about four or five chapters left, then I'm taking the tale out of the country :D I am really bad at keeping secrets...


EDIT: I went back and edited everything, hopefully I ironed out all of those nasty tense errors, as well as threw in a few improvements here and there. I would go for another chapter tonight, but it's getting late, and I wouldn't want to deprive myself of the pleasure tomorrow, now would I?


Oh, and thanks for the promptness, Ambrose, though you didn't have to :D



EDIT AGAIN: My friend, simply reading it is enough for me :) Critique is always nice, but not something I demand. Why else would I write, if not for people to simply enjoy it?

I too am no fan of the stereotypical Brotherhood story :yuck: Uber, emotionless assassins parading throughout the countryside untouched by mortal man; they might as well be vampires (sadly enough, some of them are). Pretty much the only reason I had the idea for this was because how tired I was of hearing all the different ways for Rufio to die :P

Thanks for reading thus far, and I promise to keep up with your story as well as I am able.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:34 pm

Well. It's a very well written story. Your characters are very good, you've made a properly grabbing story, and there are few errors in your writing, most of which have apparently been pointed out and corrected. This is another story where I simply have nothing to critique. I'm not a particularly good reviewer in any case.

I do have to say though, that I've never been a fan of DB fics (Blame the mass-produced romances on FF for that.) and I have a special hatred in my heart for Lucien Lachance in particular. However, at this point in your story, I do find his point of view as a child to be very interesting. I'm rather liking Louis as well. Regardless, I'll make sure to follow this best I can. Sorry I can't say more than that, when your reviews are always so long.
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:54 am

Feels a little weird, but hopefully you all can help me get this chapter straight. Dialogue isn't always my strong suit :(

Chapter Four: The Enemy


"No, no, no; I still noticed you! If you want to be a successful assassin you'll have to learn how to get the job done without killing sometimes." Louis criticized Lucien once more, stopping the drill by turning to face his pupil. The training room floor was not a comforting place, nor a private one for discussions. The combat dummies, archery targets, and other training tools that lined the stone walls cast long shadows in the torchlight, and the smell of blood and sweat permeated the entire space. Fellow assassins filled the room, either in pairs or alone, going about their daily exercises, sparring, or working stealth scenarios like the one Louis and his student were doing.

"Yes Master." Lucien said, his voice a mixture of anger and disappointment. 'Why can't I get the damn key? A normal person wouldn't have his kind of senses!'

Louis sighed, noticing his pupil's frustration, "Look, Lucien," he said comfortingly, "Don't worry about the missions. It takes practice; our tools are not things that you learn in a day. I went through years of hard training and failed missions before my master finally allowed me to act on my own. You have the talent, believe me you do; all that's left is hours upon hours of practice."

Lucien looked up into his master's familiar eyes; his melancholy diminished noticeably, "I understand, Master. I'll do better next time."

Louis smiled in satisfaction, "I'm sure you will. But until then you have to train. Try again!"

Lucien nodded, stepping back to the designated distance for the exercise. Louis put his travelling cloak's hood back on, and turned away from his student. Lucien eyed the bulge in his pocket indicating where the all important key was located, and slowly made his way towards his target. As Louis walked along the training room floor, Lucien ambled behind him, careful to avoid notice in his black mission garb.

The Imperial teen drew his hand out, creeping ever closer to his master, his focus at its utmost. He slipped his gloved fingers into the large coat pocket, wrapping them delicately around the small brass key within, always careful to avoid alerting his master.

Just when Lucien thought he had finally completed the exercise, he felt the slightest touch on his fingers. He had brushed against his target! 'No! Not again!'

"Try again!" Louis' smooth tenor voice sounded out, echoing across the training room. The only assassin that paid him any attention was the dark figure behind him, a boy with short black hair and an agonized look on his face.



"Louis! Louis!" A short Bosmer carrying a small stack of papers burst into the training room, calling out for the Breton Speaker as his short legs carried him past fellow assassins.

Lucien looked up first, turning away from the cloaked figure in front of him to watch the small elf run towards them. Louis gave a deep sigh, bringing his gray hood down around his neck as he turned to face the cryptologist.

"Yes, Galdin, what is it?" The Breton said dejectedly.

The Bosmer came to a sudden halt in front of Louis, his long brown hair flowing back into its elegant positioning seemingly of its own accord. He proffered the papers he was holding up as his high alto voice responded, "I've decoded the messages you took from the Count's desk, and you'll never believe what I found!"

"Really? That's excellent! Well, what did they say?" Louis' annoyed expression brightened into a wide smile. His apprentice's expression mirrored Louis', albeit with a good deal more curiosity.

"Ah, well, I can't say here, but it is very important." The Bosmer said, his excitement slightly lessened, "But the Listener sent me to get you at once. He's in my lab, reading a few of my decryptions."

"The old lizard left his hole, then? Well, this must be important." Louis smiled, "Let's go."

Galdin nodded, and was about to turn to leave when he noticed Lucien walking with his master towards the exit. "Oh, Lucien, I meant to say this earlier, but you can't come." The boy's excited expression immediately dropped into deep disappointment, but the Bosmer cryptologist cut off his response, "I'm really sorry, but it's the Listener's orders?"

"Fine." Lucien said irately, crossing his arms across his chest.

"Lucien," his master said, "Don't worry about it. I'm sure he's just being paranoid; I'll ask him if I can fill you in later. In the meantime, why not keep up your training? I'm sure your archery could use a little work yet."

Lucien sighed in dissatisfaction, "Alright, I'll stay. But you owe me." He finished with a playful smirk, hiding his frustration for his master.

Louis smiled, and was about to reply when Galdin interrupted once more, "Well, that's settled. Louis, let's go; I really would hate to be late."

Louis eyed the Bosmer spitefully, then forced a grin onto his face as he turned to the elf, "Yes, we wouldn't want to be late, would we? Then let's be off."

Galdin smiled, his ignorance a shield of happiness, and promptly walked off at a brisk pace, with Louis a step behind. The Breton turned to his still dejected apprentice, gave his signature smile and an over exaggerated wink, and continued on towards the door.

Lucien smiled in return, his mood lightened slightly, and set off to find the nearest bow.



Louis walked down the hallway with a mixture of apprehension and determination on his face; his steps were sure, but his eyes seemed unsteady. He brushed his perfectly even hair with his finger tips, his weather stained cloak still hanging heavily around him.

The dark stone walls were interrupted periodically by a tapestry or similar decoration, the shadows creeping along the edges of the lamplight. Louis could hear the familiar sounds of the training room echoing behind him, the small Bosmer cryptologist's footsteps sounding off rhythmically beside him.

"So," Louis began, "what was in the letters?"

"I really shouldn't say." Galdin flashed Louis a sheepish glance, then continued, "But I will tell you that this is huge. Probably the worst thing to happen since- since? well, ever." The elf's tone was serious, but he tried to end it lightheartedly. By the look in Louis' eye he knew he was not successful.

"And you can't say until we get there?"

"Yes." Galdin tried to sound firm, but it was a tone he was not used to taking.

"Humph." Louis looked ahead, deciding it was better not to press the matter. He could wait, no matter how important this was.

The pair reached the thick door separating the training room hall, with all its storage closets and private studies, from the atrium, the cozy space between the exit and the separate halls of the sanctuary. As always, several Brothers sat about the room, each focused on his or her activity, be it reading, talking softly to their neighbor, or just taking a quick doze by the fireplace. Louis could faintly recall a few of their names, but was not good friends with any of them. The Brotherhood's numbers were fairly great, roughly three or four dozen, but Louis was never interested in getting to know any of them regardless. If he was not away on a mission, he was with Lucien or Sadon.

'Sadon?' Louis reflected to himself, gazing at the floor absent mindedly.

"Ahem." Galdin brought Louis out of his musings and back to the task at hand, navigating through the hallways towards the Bosmer's lab and sleeping quarters. The two passed by the ornate black door leading to the shrine and made their way to the private quarter's hall. Galdin held the door open for Louis, letting the Breton assassin lead the way into the dim passageway.

They moved along in relative silence, broken by the occasional noises of the sanctuary: the soft sound of lamp oil burning, the snoring of a resident, and the heavy hissing emanating from the only open door.

Louis stopped for a moment to collect himself, closing his eyes and breathing deeply. Galdin stopped as well, looking at Louis as if he were a madman. To keep the Listener waiting a moment longer than he had to was not something the Bosmer did. Louis' deep blue eyes opened slowly, and the Breton walked calmly into the dim room, Galdin a step behind him.


"Louisss, the news is dire." The Listener leaned against the left wall of the Bosmer's room, holding several gray envelopes in his hand. Louis rarely saw the Listener outside of his darkened room, so to see the whole of his wiry frame was a surprise, even in the soft torchlight of the cryptologist's cluttered room. Most of the light came from a large chandelier hanging over a large table, covered in books and parchment.

Galdin rushed over to the table, spilled his stack of papers chaotically on the mess, and then looked back to the Listener eagerly, waiting for his turn to detail his findings.

Louis remained stoic, keeping his sea blue eyes focused on the shirtless Argonian in front of him.

"What's wrong?" Louis asked gravely.

"The Count knows. Has been with the enemy, and they told him much." The Listener's cryptic, barely comprehensible statements irritated Louis.

"The enemy?"

"The rivals in Morrowind, the Tong." The Listener's eyes reduced to slits as he spat out the name of the age old enemies of the Brotherhood.

"The Tong!" Louis exclaimed, "How did he come in contact with the Tong?"

Before the Listener could hiss out his answer, Galdin jumped in with information of his own, "The letters don't specify entirely, actually, but we believe Count Regulus Terentius somehow went through the Morrowind government, asking for help in getting rid of us. We're not sure if the Tribunal are involved, but-"

The Listener cut him off with an acid stare, then continued on himself, "It matters not, all we care is letters gave instructions to kill Brothers. Worse still, one gave location of sanctuary. Worst, though, they found all of it out through traitor."

Louis paled visibly, and then flushed with rage, "No? That's impossible; no one would betray the Brotherhood! Who is it? I'll kill the bastard myself!"

"His blood is cold, Louis. It was Sadon." The Listener remained impassive as ever, his crimson eyes looking always at Louis. Galdin looked to the floor solemnly; he knew as well as the rest of the Brothers how close Sadon and Louis were.

"Sadon?" Louis collapsed into a nearby armchair, his usually lively eyes cold. He clenched his teeth, trying to fight back tears. The room was silent for a long moment, until Louis looked up at the Listener, fresh steel in his eyes, "What's our next move?"

The Argonian gave a slow nod, eyeing Louis with approval, "They not strike for week, but we leave before dawn. The rendezvous out city is watched, all exits watched, escape will be difficult. The others pack as we speak, but one last contract for you."

Louis nodded- his brow knotted with anger, and folded his hands in front of him as he fixed his gaze on the stone floor. This was the worst possible scenario.

"Watch guards; alert us if a change in plans. Galdin will give you details." With that the Listener gave Louis one last look, then rose from his spot on the wall and walked swiftly out the door. Louis saw him leave out of the corner of his eye, his attention still fixed on the floor, his mind lost in thought.

'Sadon, why? Why did you do it?' Louis fought back a fresh wave of angry tears, trying to put the seemingly good-natured assassin out of his mind to focus on the task at hand.

Galdin watched him for a moment, debating whether or not to interrupt Louis. Eventually he reached an agreeable compromise with himself, and the Bosmer took a step towards Louis, "The Listener wanted me to fill you in on the details of the letters, but if you want to be alone my decryptions are in that pile over there." He indicated a mess of papers on a smaller desk in the corner, next to the small, parchment covered bed.

Louis ignored him, his only reply a harsh sigh as he dropped his head into his hands.

"Ok? then I'll just be going." Galdin said apologetically, taking small steps towards the open door. He closed it behind him with a soft click, leaving Louis to himself.

After several long minutes of despair, Louis reluctantly set himself to studying the Bosmer's notes. 'This would have been easier if you had just accepted his help, you idiot.'

He began to read the top paper in the stack, the elf's untidy scrawl speaking volumes to the Breton assassin, 'The letters seem to be written on pressed wickwheat leaves, then dyed with roobrush to give it its strange color. Both plants are found only in Morrowind, as is the crimson ink, which I believe, is made of Hypha Facia caps, but I can't be certain. Closer examination of the seals does give a broken image of the Tong emblem, and the wax-'

'Pointless,' Louis thought, throwing the letter aside, 'Where does it talk about Sadon?' The Breton flipped through the pages, keeping an eye out for any mention of his late friend.

'Aha! Here we are.' Louis picked up the parchment, holding it near the candle burning beside him, 'Letter 6B gave definite proof of Sadon's involvement in the conspiracy, mentioning him by name several times. The Tong seemed suspicious, questioning whether or not they could trust a member of the Brotherhood, who they said were already starting to give them trouble within their province. I assume they are referring to our Brothers in Mournhold, led by the young Severa Magia. Any connection between them and this conspiracy is unknown.'

Louis put the paper down with the others, and then pulled up the stuffed chair he had been resting in and sat down. He pulled another parchment up, reluctantly setting himself to studying the whole case. He absent mindedly brushed his mahogany hair as he labored through the task, 'Knowledge is strength, Louis. And we are going to need strength to get through this one?'


EDIT: Completely edited, with the timeskip removed and a whole bit about walking down the hallway added. Listener dialogue changed, along with that one line of Louis'. I'll be trying to pay more attention to characterizing them in the future, so as to set them apart from the OB Brotherhood. If you have any concerns or comments, feel free to let me know :D
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:57 am

I hate to do things like this, but the awesome amount of criticism I got earlier spoiled me :P Does anyone else think that the end reading of the notes is a little awkward? Or the dialogue not believable? I'm trying to get into my characters more, but I can't judge myself for anything. Like I said, I hate to bump my own thread, but I would appreciate some help. Thanks :goodjob:

PS I hope to have a new chapter Tuesday afternoon or, if not, then over the weekend. Since these last two chapters were more like half chapters, I'll probably combine them somewhere in the near future. Just wanted to wait until people had read the most recent one. I am terribly used to comments on this, aren't I :embarrass:
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:36 am

I hate to do things like this, but the awesome amount of criticism I got earlier spoiled me :P Does anyone else think that the end reading of the notes is a little awkward? Or the dialogue not believable? I'm trying to get into my characters more, but I can't judge myself for anything. Like I said, I hate to bump my own thread, but I would appreciate some help. Thanks :goodjob:

PS I hope to have a new chapter Tuesday afternoon or, if not, then over the weekend. Since these last two chapters were more like half chapters, I'll probably combine them somewhere in the near future. Just wanted to wait until people had read the most recent one. I am terribly used to comments on this, aren't I :embarrass:



For however much my opinion is worth, I think the ending was fine. A bit cliche, but otherwise fine. Not awkward. The dialogue seemed fine as well, although admittedly, I did have a bit of a hard time picturing Louis saying "What's the damage?"
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:15 am

I think you should do what you are comfortable with and enjoy. Your story has always been riveting, interesting, unique characters, detailed action. Your writing is excellent. I saw nothing wrong at all with the above chapter, it moved a little slower than your story usually does, but was still great!
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:04 am

For however much my opinion is worth, I think the ending was fine. A bit cliche, but otherwise fine. Not awkward. The dialogue seemed fine as well, although admittedly, I did have a bit of a hard time picturing Louis saying "What's the damage?"


I didn't like that one either, I'll probably change it. Thanks :)


Thanks to you too Malx, the entire sub chapter was dialogue, with some description and thoughts thrown in. So it would be slower than normal, yeah. Next chapter will more than make up for it, I hope :D



EDIT: Ah, hello Evil, how are you? I didn't intend for the Listener to show his emotions, his stoic attitude is actually the driving force behind his personality, and I hope to give it a purpose next chapter. Thanks though, I'll see if there's anything I can do.
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:12 am

The Argonian gave a slow nod, eyeing Louis with approval,

I thought he didn't show emotions and stuff.
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:49 am

I know I'm really making the two protagonists really kind and lighthearted for assassins, but I can't help but make them nice guys. I love the master-apprentice relationship so much, I always seem to want them to be friendly and understanding of one another. Really, Louis is Lucien's adoptive father (even though Louis is only in his late twenties), and I know my dad only gives me jokes and smiles when he gets mad. And if I really screwed up then I get a serious talk, somewhat like Louis gave at the beginning of the chapter. So it's probably just my emotional experiences filtering into my story, and I'm sorry if you don't like how "goody two shoes" these assassins are. Their hearts should harden soon, trust me ;)
I too am no fan of the stereotypical Brotherhood story :yuck: Uber, emotionless assassins parading throughout the countryside untouched by mortal man; they might as well be vampires (sadly enough, some of them are). Pretty much the only reason I had the idea for this was because how tired I was of hearing all the different ways for Rufio to die :P
I've figured out my problem with your story! (That sounded bad, didn't it?) I mean, it's only my reason and you don't have to change things for one person.

Think of it this way: In Oblivion, we all know the Imperial City is a round shape in plan. This story is written to me as if the Imperial City was square. When you tell me your version, I'm trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, so the edges are scraping and bothering me. For example, at this point I expect that Lucien would have either killed two people to be in the guild (Oblivion), or have killed ten or fifteen (Daggerfall) just to be in the guild. Obviously I'm expecting something of a bloodlust or loss of childhood idealism. It's what we know, so it's what we turn to. I think what you need to do is make us see a square peg in a square hole. Push away from the Oblivion Dark Brotherhood as much as is necessary so we can see a firm grip on your guild. Introduce Louis through his relationship with Sadon first, so we can be there with him when he gets emotional about his buddy dying.

Once we're in line with the way you see the guild, you can make the characters do about anything and we'll see it in their personalities.
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That makes sense, Shades, I see your point. It's true, the Brotherhood does seem different in Oblivion than it does in my story. All of my assassins are too nice :) I would hope to distance my story from Oblivion quite a bit, seeing how much I disliked it.

Indeed, Lucien has yet to kill anyone, thus his puppy dog attitude. He was actually adopted by Louis, but I'll save that for a chapter where it is relevant. There are actually a lot of details about the characters and the Brotherhood that I would like to get across, but haven't found the proper place yet. Perhaps within the timeskips between chapters I can show some of the sanctuary life and throw in characterization. My story seemed too short anyways :P

I don't know about showing Sadon, I didn't want to put any flashbacks or dream sequences in this story, and I most definitely didn't want to start it any earlier. However, I will assuredly try harder to make the reader see past their jobs and look at the person. It might do good to put in a flashback though... I'll have to think about it.

Thanks Shades, if you can think of any way other than showing Sadon directly I would love to hear it :) But if not then I'll go for a flashback, because I don't want to go back and write a prequel or anything (at least, not until the first book or two are finished).
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:02 am

Argh! I saw you had posted and thought to see a new chapter!
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:55 am

That makes sense, Shades, I see your point. It's true, the Brotherhood does seem different in Oblivion than it does in my story. All of my assassins are too nice :) I would hope to distance my story from Oblivion quite a bit, seeing how much I disliked it.

Indeed, Lucien has yet to kill anyone, thus his puppy dog attitude. He was actually adopted by Louis, but I'll save that for a chapter where it is relevant. There are actually a lot of details about the characters and the Brotherhood that I would like to get across, but haven't found the proper place yet. Perhaps within the timeskips between chapters I can show some of the sanctuary life and throw in characterization. My story seemed too short anyways :P

I don't know about showing Sadon, I didn't want to put any flashbacks or dream sequences in this story, and I most definitely didn't want to start it any earlier. However, I will assuredly try harder to make the reader see past their jobs and look at the person. It might do good to put in a flashback though... I'll have to think about it.

Thanks Shades, if you can think of any way other than showing Sadon directly I would love to hear it :) But if not then I'll go for a flashback, because I don't want to go back and write a prequel or anything (at least, not until the first book or two are finished).
Have Louis play it like he's stoic and untouchable right away on the subject to everyone in the Brotherhood, but have him explain what Sadon meant to him as a friend in a quiet moment with Lucien. That would go even farther toward strengthening their connection, and the pain we'd see when you eventually kill Louis.
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Post » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:11 am

Have Louis play it like he's stoic and untouchable right away on the subject to everyone in the Brotherhood, but have him explain what Sadon meant to him as a friend in a quiet moment with Lucien. That would go even farther toward strengthening their connection, and the pain we'd see when you eventually kill Louis.


:ooo: When did I say I was killing Louis? I thought about it for a while, but decided against it (at least not until they get to Morrowind). Mhm, I agree, I'm trying to have him be a non-Sithis Brotherhood member as well. Perhaps have Sadon be his only friend in the Brotherhood, with the Listener being his boss and Lucien his pupil. I'll have to edit that stuff in over the weekend ;) I'm making my editing points list now. Thanks again.


EDIT: You're right, he must die :evil: But not for a while, at least. Even if you hadn't played OB, just by his character and his relationship with Lucien you can tell. Not killing him would be more of a twist than doing so at this point :P I'll see what I can do with editing, I think the best time would be to cut in on a timeskip and then end with a small skip to the beginning of the chapter. Or just flesh out certain timeskips, like his walk to Galdin's room. Shouldn't be a problem :)
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:ooo: When did I say I was killing Louis? I thought about it for a while, but decided against it (at least not until they get to Morrowind). Mhm, I agree, I'm trying to have him be a non-Sithis Brotherhood member as well. Perhaps have Sadon be his only friend in the Brotherhood, with the Listener being his boss and Lucien his pupil. I'll have to edit that stuff in over the weekend ;) I'm making my editing points list now. Thanks again.
It seemed logical that you would kill Louis. He's not around in Oblivion, and Lucien is hardcoe by then.
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