Who would win in a battle between The Brotherhood Of Steel and the Enclave. My money would be on the enclave as they would win by their sheer numbers over the Brotherhood Of Steel.

BoS wins automatically since enclave has already been wiped out.

Brotherhood of Steel because Enclave couldn't defeat you all alone o_o

If the Enclave was still Active!

The Chicago Outpots are likely still active. Although we don't know how much they have left.


And you think the BOS could? Keep in mind that in the alternate ending to Broken Steel the BOS get wiped out by the LW.

No faction can stand against the demi-god player.

In any case, the Enclave in Fallout 2 would have been able to defeat the BOS easily. No contest. Whatever happened in Fallout 3 was a fluke. A fluke called Liberty Prime.


So their superior technology and air-power wouldn't be the deciding factor?

Probably Enclave if the BoS met them in pitched battle.

In an actual even and realistic fight? The Enclave hands-down. Without the power of the player character or Liberty Prime the BoS couldn't even take on the Super Mutants and got taken hostage by the Talon Co. mercs in Broken Steel. Hell even in-game when the attack on Adams Air Force Base is going on the BoS on the run-way get absolutely creamed.

Even with the power of http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110731212247/fallout/images/4/4d/LibertyPrime.png and outside the realm of [censored] and convenience the Brotherhood wouldn't win, because giant, walking robots have one very obvious weakness. The upper thighs of Prime are ridiculously thin and have exposed cabling coiled around them for [censored]s sake. In the first few seconds of the quest "Take it Back", when you leave the Citadel no less than three Vertibirds come in from behind Prime and yet do nothing. Two fly away with th other stopping right in front of Prime's face to get destroyed so the Player can see Prime's l33t skills. That's the level of writing we're dealing with here; would you expect a real U.S. combat pilot to be so [censored] stupid?

The Enclave in Fallout 2 were kicking the BoS's ass.

Fallout 3 the BoS were worried the Enclave would kick their ass, and if it wasn't of Optimus Prime the Enclave would have easily won.

The Midwestern BoS is unknown.

I'd believe that after every blow the enclave has suffered from various factions there would only be enclave fanatics or event-ignorant people, after desertion and possible attacks/hunt-and-kill events (for example) by NCR

It largely depends on how many got out from Adams. However, I think there could be at least a Mojave BOS sized group located in Chicago.

Yes, indeed one of the most logical conclusion's I've seen people reach - as opposed to the, "maybe they'll be good guys helping people next time" line of thinking which is frankly insane. I gather from your quote however that you are suggesting that maybe the Enclave fanatics will only leave behind a small number of people after desertions and such. Really though, after the events of Fallout 3 and the Enclave's nightmarish culture of obediance and isolationism what's the chance that the majority of people won't be fanatics? These are people whom never questioned having never seen President Eden nor question his three decade presidency because (according to Eden):

"Many people are content with a reassuring voice of authority, and never question the lack of public appearances." - President J. H. Eden

And now they've lost their home, their Kim-Jong-Il-esque leader and rallying figure and probably the majority of their friends and family, how many of these people will really drop the cause? Even taking into account more pragmatic reasons, they know next to nothing about wasteland civilisation and many of it's customs - even basic monetary transactions are new to them after Raven Rock - and are both hated and hate-fulled; what'll they do if they desert become hermits?

Even if they aren't as fanatical to the Enclave's cause, they'll likely stick together and carry on because even if there's less than 50 of them it's all they've ever known.

even if i like the brotherhood of steel the truth is in fallout 3 if it werent for the crapy plot holes and the bad writing the enclave would of won easy they have way too much advanced tech than the brotherhood hell i think they dont even need vertibirds to win but as for the mid west brotherhood its hard to say they have supermutants and villagers giving them lots of fighting hands.

Just to point out, but you can have all superior technology and airpower you want, yet still not come out the winner, and probably come out the worse for ware. It's a matter of how you use that superior tech and airpower, and how well your enemy can defend from it, that properly decides the end.

Long story short, a BoS Bunker is not something that can be taken easily without the attack getting heavy casualties, at least in Lore they're not. Especially when you have a group like the BoS, would probably be at the fanatical point when defending their only home.

Generally however, those with greater technology and equipment usually come out the victors. Not always, but I would say a large portion of the time.

My point however, was to make a comment on the OP saying that the Enclave would win based on sheer numbers, which isn't an argument I've heard in regards to the Enclave. The Legion? Yeah. The NCR? Definitely. But the Enclave? Almost never. Unless we are talking just about the East Coast BOS I suppose. I'm not entirely sure what the numbers of the BOS would have been in Fallout 2, but I would imagine they were much certainly larger than what the Enclave had.

Generally I would imagine the ability of the Enclave to defeat the BOS would rest on their technological power, not on numbers. That has always been the strength of the Enclave.


If there's ever been a faction which could capture one without sustaining major casualties, it would be the Enclave. No other faction for instance, has maintained a standing policy of capturing and using dangerous bio-weapons like the Deathclaws and (in terms of viruses) the FEV-Curling 13.

This is true an dI think came up during another debate like this. If its Enclave in their prime which would mean Fallout 2. The Enclave win hands down. Their FEV-Curling virus was going to kill all mutated like on the planet if it was sent out. No bunker or Vault would save you from it. "Every nook and cranny on the planet."

So if they weren't destroyed in Fallout 2, they would have won and the Fallout series would have come to an end.

It all realy depends on which ones we're talking about. Right now the BoS are dwindeling and morale is down but the Enclave is in deeper [censored] so id have to give it to the BoS. Also because the enclave look funny

One on One - Enclave.
A Skrimish - Enclave
A War - Enclave
Comparison of Tech - Enclave.
Comparison of Weaponary - Enclave.
Comparison of Tactics/Training - Enclave
Comparison of mobilty/vehicles - Enclave

(Without a PC or Liberty Prime the Brotherhood don't stand much chance)

Even with Prime, in a real life scenario it would be destroyed almost as soon as it was deployed.

I didnt mean to say that there are only few fanatics just that they would be all there is anymore. And deserters would basically be survivors of devasting strikes, who believe the enclave is done for.

This depends when the battle/war takes place.

In Fallout 2: The Enclave
In Fallout 3: The Enclave

It has always been the player that made the difference.

After all this happened, the winner of an upcoming war would be: The BoS
I don't think that there is much left of the enclave right now, but feel free to convince me of the opposite.

That is true.
Basically Project Puirty was theirs and Lyon's would be gone but "Go White knights of Yor!"

Yep, first its "Even after all these years spent gathering technology, we look like cavemen next to the Enclave!"

Then its, "oh wait, nevermind, I forgot we have this giant mecha-bot here. Yeah, that'll totally work."

How the hell would liberty prime treat the Enclave as communists anyways?
Thats just plain stupid!

The exact specifics of computer targeting is never explained. Though in every-other case but Prime you can actually figure out how it works. Lyon's is like, "It's our only shot, activate Liberty Prime." It's not like it was planned and even Rothschild is scathing of the idea so there's no way that Prime's been programmed what to and not to shoot.

Maybe because the BoS are wearing the pre-war military's PA, while the Enclave wears the post-war APA mk.II which Optimus Prime doesn't recognize? Maybe he would shoot everyone that is not wearing american pre-war PA (and american combat armor)? Except you, if you aren't wearing it, would kind of break the story haha.