You told him that Bethesda has said it wasn't canon, but he completely ignored that fact, so, so be it.

Having played Fallout 1, 2, 3, and New Vegas literally TO DEATH, I decided to delve into the two "spin-offs" of the series, Fallout Tactics, and [censored].

Starting up Fallout Tactics, the supposed "true-to-Fallout-game" I was greeted by an http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kxq3Rmq1ho (what?) followed by a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFV1QvnLVsM&feature=related (double and triple what?). I was then plunged into some rather unintuitive gameplay, much differently than Fallout 1, 2, and 3, all of which I didn't even HAVE a manual for. Needless to say, the flawed story was not enough to get me over the learning curve and I stopped playing.

Then, the "BURNED GAME". The "black sheep" of the Fallout Franchise, and the reason "Interplay should never have the Fallout license again." I boot it up, and get greeted by a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifnMjqdm4QE&feature=related This time, I'm thrown into a dispute with Raiders and townsfolk over the Junktown-esque city of Carbon. Everything's going pretty well until... the infamous "thong babe". Actually named "Raider Matron" she, in fact, sports clothing about as skimpy as the female raiders from Fallout 3 and New Vegas, with the exception of the fact that instead of sporting skimpy, lore-friendly patchwork armor, http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110627122131/fallout/images/b/b4/Jane.jpg. Yeah, that's kind of embarrassing. But in all fairness, I'm 2 hours into the game, and I would probably say it's somewhere in between Fallout 3 and Tactics, in overall "goodness" (on a scale of NV-2-1-3-[censored]-T:BOS). It has boss battles, that with the exception of the Giant Roboscorpion from Old World Blues, and Frank Horrigan from Fallout 2, are more nuanced than any I've seen in a Fallout game to date. The Dialogue is about as "bad" as the dialogue as Fallout 3, except in a different way (if that makes any sense).

In closing, [censored] is not a bad game. There is some clear pandering to the often-immature "console crowd" but in my opinion it's better and more reconcilable with current canon than Tactics. If you're looking for a stupid fun Fallout fix, I would recommend giving it a fair chance. And if you're one of those people who have never played it, but use the term "Burned Game" day in and day out to describe it, I would recommend Google searching "bandwagon appeal".

Are you talking about me or the OP. Because I get the fact that BoS isn't canon at all for it totally messing with canon, lore and pretty much everything Fallout.

1. Then they made an inconsistency with their own inconsistency.

2. And "why" is a small group of soldiers just allowed to go off on their merry adventure? BOS is very very very strict with rules, I doubt they'd send any chapter away in those conditions. As to Cain, did he prove himself then? Cause the Vault Dweller ventured into a radiation hell to retrieve research notes (IIRC) in order to be allowed in. What did Cain do?

3. What more needs to be fleshed out? America was afraid of biological and biochemical warfare so West-Tek was contracted to work on the Pan-Immunity Virion Project which later became the Forced Evolutionary Virus. After the government found out about it they immediately transfered it over to Mariposa for further testing, where soon after the bombs fell. They sent it to Mariposa for a reason, not just so they could send it away to 40 other sites. Enclave got their FEV from Mariposa when they stormed it but had to pull out due to the 2nd gen super mutants forcing them out. And in 2277 they likely had FEV left from the Oil Rig when they evacuated it. And how the hell is FEV taken from their bodies? How is a super mutant in an underdeveloped area going to get the resources to reproduce it?

4. And what's so bad about vehicles? Oil was running out, it hadn't ran out completely before the bombs hit. that they came from a military vault is an inconsistency sort of, but even then the military vault could easily be Mariposa, it was a vault by definition that was run by the US army, a military vault. Deathclaws where originally mean to be hairy, so if anything it's a correction to the lore, and that they can speak, well here are some suggestive speculations:

"Furthermore, some of them were noted to be capable of speech as early as in 2197, which means that they probably developed speech through spontaneous mutation, or were experimented on by someone other than the Enclave. Another possibility that they were designed to have an intellect and ability to speak before the Great War."
Oh and emphasis on some^.

It wasn't explained why but that doesn't mean that their design is an inconsistency at all.

Gabriel said that and had a link that said Bethesda said BoS wasn't canon. The guy quoted it and completely ignored it and decided to talk about trailers.

And how the hell is FEV taken from their bodies?

Brotherhood of Steel was made with complete disregard for Fallout lore and canon. If I remember right it was okayed by the same people that cancelled Van Buren. The people that bought out Inerplay.

I ignored it because it was completely irrelevant. I'm not talking about Brotherhood of Steel's trailers, nor its canon-status. Neither of those factor into its quality as a game.

Their is no explanation in-game of why the Deathclaws in the Midwest are different than all of the known Deathclaws everywhere else.

Gabriel said that and had a link that said Bethesda said BoS wasn't canon. The guy quoted it and completely ignored it and decided to talk about trailers.

BoS isn't canon.

Tactics is at least semi canon and from what I have seen Bethesda only really doesn't like the way things look. Bethesda has already confirmed the MWBoS. New Vegas might even mention them. Lonesome Road might have even more is we are lucky.

BoS ingores1950s style totally. It tries to be more 1980's then anything else. It has the Vault Dweller going off to Texas and fighting with the BoS. "I was born before the bombs fell and then the Brotherhood came."

Fans overwhelmingly hate BoS over Tactics. Bethesda has sided with the Fans on this and If they were smart would not go back on that decision.

This is wrong. I've explained this. People who haven't played the game have perpetuated the concept that it disregards Fallout lore based on trailers and hearsay. It doesn't. That's a fact.

Why are you telling me?

Fans don't like how it is breaks canon. How it doesn't even try to be 1950s. How it has the Vault Dweller running off to Texas to join the BoS. "I was born before the Bombs fell and then the Brotherhood came."

Tactics does not have much in the way of inconsistencies. The only real inconsistency is saying the BoS came from a Vault. That is pretty much the only one. Other then that the rest of the game makes sense and does not break canon.

1. I don't understand your point. The trailer is bad, so just disregard it. We are talking about the game, not a method of advertising it.

2. This is the same BoS that supposedly sent a bunch of Paladins on a trip on a bunch of blimps because they disagreed with their philosophy on the wasteland. Assuming you choose to play as Cain, the entire first chapter of the game is his "right of passage" into the Brotherhood of Steel. It involves far more than the trip into the glow and the killing of a couple thugs that the Vault Dweller had to go through to be accepted.

3. The chemical nature of FEV has never been fleshed out. How it interacts with cells, how it is created, and how it can be extracted has never been explicitly explained. This is moot anyway because I have not met Attis, and cannot comment on whether or not he describes his attaining of FEV.

4.The idea that there are still functioning oil-fuelled vehicles hundreds of years after a war was fought because there was virtually no fuel left is silly. The existence of hairy, speaking Deathclaws in the Midwest is silly as well. 4 fallout games in 4 different locations (5 if you count Brotherhood of Steel) have featured Deathclaws that are evolutionary the same. Their is no explanation in-game of why the Deathclaws in the Midwest are different than all of the known Deathclaws everywhere else.


I ignored it because it was completely irrelevant. I'm not talking about Brotherhood of Steel's trailers, nor its canon-status. Neither of those factor into its quality as a game.

He probably misread your post or replied to the wrong post.

Anyways, The Burned Game is like:
:intergalactic: :jammasterjay: :disco: :flamed: :mohawk: :rock:

EDIT: My god, OP, you fail to realize this! The Vault Dweller never went to Texas. He went North and founded Arroyo. The reason almost everyone on this forum (you the exception) hate [censored] is because it raqes canon's dead skull and then pisses in it, with that one encounter with the Vault Dweller. Lord knows the horrible things that happened to canon in that game with the other parts.

2. More believable than that a small group of soldier were sent to Texas for [censored] all reason. Never said the BOS were sane, just that they follow their code. (Damnit Styles you know more about Tactics than I do, help me out here.) But what did Cain do? Explain.

1. The game assumes that he went North and Founded Arroyo, then went South to Texas. How is that hard to believe? Do you really believe that is "[censored] canon's dead skull and then pissing it it"? Because that's silly and you know it.

2. "OH MY GOD HAROLD WENT EAST TO DC! That ONE ENCOUNTER during an OPTIONAL SIDE QUEST skull-[censored] canon and then took a dump on it's shivering corpse."
That's pretty much the equivalent of what you have said.

The game assumes that he went North and Founded Arroyo, then went South to Texas. How is that hard to believe? Do you really believe that is "[censored] canon's dead skull and then pissing it it"? Because that's silly and you know it.

The Vault Dweller Founded Arroyo. This is confirmed by Fallout 2 and the game guides.

Did you not play Fallout 2? Did you not notice that the Vault Dweller's stuff was given to the Chosen One?

Dude, Bethesda itsleft doesn consider BOS canon, so the Vault Dweller never went to Texas,

Well, the events never happened

And...? I went to Spain once, I left some of my stuff there. That doesn't mean I'm going to spend the rest of my life in Spain.

The Vault Dweller killed the master. He went North and founded Arroyo. He left his vault suit there. He then went South. He ended up in Carbon, Texas. How is this a hard to grasp series of events?

1. They made an inconsistency with their own lore, doesn't matter if it's a trailer or advertising material, it's still an inconsistency in an inconsistency. (Yo dawg)

One Reason. THE GAME ISN'T CANON!!! IT NEVER HAPPENED! IT'S THE BURNED GAME! IT WAS THE WORSE FALLOUT GAME IN HISTORY OK? IT WAS INTERPLAY BIGGEST FAIL. THAT'S WHY THEIR BROKE! There, that explains it in the simplest terms I can give.

Inconception is more like it.

EDIT: OP, what was the original point of this thread? I've re-read the main post but I can't find the part that actually makes it worth it's own thread...might as well keep on talking about canon.