Under Maxson they seem to have a very good chance of conquering pretty much the entire east coast at least, so I don't know if I'd call them ridiculous... From my real world ideological standpoint I'd say they're terrifying. From my pc's in-game one, I'd say they're impressive.

Eh, the essential problem with the BOS is they're like the Galactic empire from Star Wars.

They make use of big, impressive, and vulnerable technology.

Liberty Prime and the Prydwin are like the Death Star.

They put everything on them and if they get sabotaged or destroyed, they're ****ed.

But that's just a gameplay thing, isn't it? If you side against them it takes very little to take their 'ultimate weapons' down, but if you're with them they're 'unmatchable weapons of mass destruction'. Kinda hard to assess the actual destructive power of each faction because of this.

While normally I would agree with you, Liberty Prime gets knocked out during Broken Steel as well and the Brotherhood is left with its pants down.

At the end of the day, because the player needs to be an underdog, they'll never have access to tools which can automatically win.

Yeah, but that was with a kill-sat (which I personally actually non-canon-compliant used against the Citadel later on). Nobody in the Commonwealth has a kill-sat. (Though you'd think the Institute would make one, tbh.).

True but as we see with the Railroad and the Institute as well as Bos, they're very good at finding weaknesses.

Thank you. This add a huge amount of backstory which I didn't know to the BoS in the game. Now, I feel like I get it.

So what's your take on it all?

The BoS seem reasonable to me. Now I suspect (I haven't play the BoS ending yet) they are in it for power and caps. Just like everyone else. And I have no doubt the Institute has agents within their ranks (they have them everywhere else) - but having played through the Institute ending, the Institute needs to die.

Synths are not alive. They are machines. Built to replace humans. Which is just messed. I sympathize with the RR though. Not because of their mission, but because of the cool "people". What I don't get, is how a human could make the leap into saving machines? Machines who mimic people? What's next? Killing someone cause they burnt toast in my toaster?

This is reason I like Valentine so much. He's know he's a machine. But he's a machine dealing with human memories. And he knows it (no spoilers - lay his story).

The BoS have a point. I mean look around, we have messed everything up. Especially Vault-Tech. Building bomb shelters to save people which are really various social experiments. I mean why?

The more I thinking about it, the more I'm liking the BoS.

So great I am supposed to join an organization that has a leader who sees himself as the perfect human. That it is deemed ok to do anything, to include genocide in the name of whatever Mr. Perfect says we should.

Sieg Heil Maxson.

If anyone questions my morality I will claim "I was just following orders"

Well, the Railroad was founded by Synths who decided they wanted to live as humans and the people who loved them as family, husbands, wives, and friends.

So, that's how.

Genocide? Of whom? Super Mutants need to die. I mean, they eat humans. Synths? They aren't alive - no genocide there Non-feral ghouls? Ok that I agree with. I'm sure the BoS can be convinced to deal with that.

And how can he be the perfect human, when it's clear in the game the I am the next messiah?

Ok... do they eat? Screw? Die of old age? They are not alive. Period. The are a walking AI. Sure, I dig many of them. But they still aren't alive. At least the Super Mutant are. Even if you side with the RR, that fact is not disputed.

A human life can't be replaced. A machine can. Especially considering when the RR replaces the memory of every Synth it saves. That's messed. If they cared so much for the robot, they leave it's original persona intact.

Of course, all this does not mean all synths must die.

PS: Just to drop the debate for a minute.. I think Valentine and Deacon are the best companions in the game. Valentine is just amazing. His story I mean. Deacon is a bold faced liar and very funny. Probably a synth, but I'm not really sure. I also like Glory a lot.

Erm, I'm pretty certain the gen 3 synths actually do all that, or are capable of it at the very least.

Well, you can romance two of them and get the Lover's Embrace so, yes.

Of course, I was disappointed with the revelation of Curie's quest where Doctor Amal says that Synth brains are biological like the rest of them.

They're more clones with cybernetics than actual AI.

Which is appropriate since Replicants were biologically 100% human but had no rights because they were manufactured.

Then again, if a machine feels emotion and can think for itself, then I think it's alive.

I don't doubt Codsworth feels genuine grief when he sees the dead spouse.

This is good. The BoS are made in a way where they are both a villain and a hero, depending on how you look at it.

To simply put it, they have good intentions but are going about it incorrectly, causing many innocent lives to be lost simply due to their own ignorance and selfishness nature. It's easy to like them because of the end-game thinking but that means you would be ignoring the root of the problem which they are causing or have done.

I have a both a special hate and a normal distaste in them. My distaste is simply because of their nature of doing things and the fact that they don't necessary care about other people's lives, especially if they are ghoul, mutant, or synth. My special hate for them is because of an outside source which isn't their fault honestly.

Clones? that's even worse. Burn the house down and kill them all. Protect the purity of the human race.

I guess I'm going BoS.

I completely agree here.

John Henry Eden was an [censored] but he was alive.

The difference between Codsworth and a Synth is a Synth can feel lust, anger, and other raw primal emotions.

Why? Because those require biological components.

Codsworth and Pre-Synth Curie feel emotions, they're just "machine emotions" and intellectually abstract versus the raw atavism of human feelings. That doesn't mean they're not valuable, though.

Curie feels grief, happiness, excitement, and joy but she can wait patiently for 200 years in a Vault because she doesn't get bored or angry.

Synth Curie would have committed suicide long before then.

Lets see I get along with Strong just fine, and in Fallout 3 I believe there was another SM I teamed up with, or was that LV I get them confused. Anyway the blind notion of killing off an entire sentient race because they are differant than me is not something I want to be part of. Yea defend yourself against them, Yea go after them aggressively with the intention of making them leave you alone fine, but to kill off the entire race?

Any time someone or a group has as its base belive that it is ok to destroy an entire culture and or race in the name of an idea, no matter how grand, then you can count me out

Its always easier to destroy then to build but I perfer to be on the side of the builders.

Human race has no purity.

Want me to blow your mind?

Killing synths and mutants isn't really killing. More like a service. Ok that was typed wrong.

Really though, I do not consider synths life. Mutants are alive, of course, but need to die. True, it's not their fault for being mutants - but come'on.. bags of human parts hanging from the ceilings? Super Mutants need to die.

Non-feral ghouls.. ok I have soft spot for them. I would hope the BoS can be reasoned with to leave them alone.

As for innocents? well I do like the MM - them and I will protect the innocents. There aren't many.

The purity of the human race has already been lost, the Institute themselves say that they required pre-war DNA because that of post-war humans has been tainted. Or the Brotherhood doctor stating that your probably healthier than anyone else on the Prydwen because your pre-war. With the death of the Enclave, the best chance for true humanity is gone.

#theEnclavewasright

The problem with synths is, they are made, and they can be made in different ways, apparently. You've got Nick, who isnt even a gen 3 but is obviously 'alive', and then you've got the super-advanced X6-88 who is pretty much just a sophisticated weapon.