Really.......I must never have actually played that route for Broken Steel, do we want to guess which ending is going to be canon.

well, they likely will not ever say which ending is canon specifically, but you can be sure that any route where someone dies is not going to be canon.

personal guess? The next we hear of Lyon's Chapter will be at such a later date that these details will be lost to history...

The most likely canon scenario is this: Lone Wanderer steps into the chamber, starts the thing, almost dies (but was pulled out quickly somehow. Lone Wanderer wakes up and absolutely wastes the rest of the Enclave at their base.

But yeah, the BOS will appear again. It's just a matter if they're the usual "we care more about the tec" group, or Lyons' "SAVE EVERYONE!!" group.

There are lots of things that went on for a long time and "just became an issue." Slavery. Suffrage (actually, literally anything equality related). Climate change. No one had a problem with them for generations. People, and groups, change.

Fallout 2 has very small BoS and it's the best Fallout.

That is your opinion

Thanks for the advice and winning the Enclave war, with a huge tech boost, Vertibirds and replacement tech for the haul the Outcasts stole should answer any 'we should be aquiring tech' complaint.

Above post have the quotes, literally the only reason we have to think there has been any contact with the west coast is Veronica's quote.

The stated aim of the Outcasts was to travel west to rejoin the 'true' Brotherhood, so why would Bethesda want to destroy their own version of BOS to give us closure....personally as a fan of BOS i'm more than happy with the multiple BOS factions.

Well Fallout 4 is supposed to be happening 200 years after the war and is supposed to mostly happening after Fallout 3 so for both those to be true Fallout 4 has to be happening partly during or just after Fallout 3.......Fallout 3 and Fallout apparently happen in the same year.

This doesnt mean it will feature Lyon's BoS, that is still speculation that Bethesda has not chimed in on

No but it will be featuring a BOS faction which uses the reversed BOS symbol (as seen on the crashing airship) and on the concept art of the BOS trooper (with the Minuteman and Protagonist), which has only been used by MWBOS and Lyons' BOS (the two splinter BOS factions).

Most people seem to be leaning towards it being Lyons' BOS, as a Tactics fan I'd prefer to see the MidWestern BOS.

To quote an earlier post I made

I would also prefer MWBoS so that they have a legit chance to be considered morally grey over Lyon's "good guys"

I'm not arguing from a position of a supporter of Lyons BOS, I'd much prefered Fallout 3 to have featured the MidWestern BOS instead of Bethesda's version and I'd much prefer Fallout 4 to feature the MWBOS.

I'd quite like to see a clash in Fallout 4 between the MWBOS and Lyons' BOS showing the right way to recruit and train locals into your ranks if needed, 85% losses in training I believe was the accepted MWBOS loss rate for their conscripts.....and none of this power armour for everybody nonsense, you earn that armor recruit!

Aye, and it will give them some freedom to expand on new lore.

I think the airship is an inter dimensional space craft developed by a rogue faction of the pre-war US Government that was obsessed Arthurian stuff, they took it to tamriel and used a perfected FEV to create dragons and then experimented until they successfully created the first Dragonborn human, leaving the inhabitants in Tamriel to make up their own lore about their . Now in FO4 they are coming back with an army of Dragonborn soldiers in Power Armor to conquer the world. Boom. Thread closed. *drop the mic*

What about the Imperial Legion quest in Morrowind that requires you to kill those five people at the Balmora Council club?

That's actually a pretty bad example because it's rather minor. The nature of this beast is an odd one certainly because I find the line between canon slaughter and non canon slaughter vaugue. Certainly SOME killings must be considered canon, as if they weren't then it would seriously diminish the role playing aspects of the games.

Agreed. I think neutral BoS is the BoS that is most appropriate for Fallout. I think it really contributes to the dog eat dog nature of the wasteland, instead of a wasteland police force.

In some of the gameplay trailers, we do see some footage of the survivor in combat with BoS members. So it'll be interesting to see their role.

he have no idea, because that has little actual impact on the world, where as killing the telvanni councilors would be a MAJOR thing and could easily change the way the worlds history progressed. Also, no, it is not. We know for a fact in Kotor that the light side choice in both games are all the canon choices, but it is considered a great Role-playing game. Also, most RPGs allow ZERO choice when it comes to decisions, as the story and characters are written already (Final fantasy being a good example) and they are also great RPGs.

You still dont know the difference between RPG and Role-play do you?

*sigh* and you act as if the player matters here. I DO understand, but it means nothing when it comes to canon. Like teh Kotor games, You can RP anyone you want, but it has no effect on what the REAL events happened, Fallout has already done this in many ways, the vault dweller was a man who killed the master, chosen one had the best ending as the canon ending, with the NCR. My point is, the "good" or best ending is ALWAYS teh canon choice, never the "Bad" parts.

until you understand that Role-play and game mechanics have no correlation together, you will slowly hate all video games.

I wasn't implying that the best ending being canon isn't the trend, just realized my post seemed that way.

I guess if anything I find it slightly dissapointing that a bad choice is generally never canon. Though, I suppose that's the way it must be. Unless the games utilize save states like Mass Effect.

It certainly seems the norm, I suppose because most gamers try to get the 'best ending' rather than a minority who try to get everybody killed and go for the worst possible ending, like ensuring everbody dies in Mass Effect 2 or those who depopulate an open world........ but that is pure speculation on my part.

I find your speculation, while.... speculative (lol) , largely correct. Now, this may be an exposure issue on my part, but In my experiene the majority of people I talk to always go for the good ending first and then return to the "evil" ending later just to say they went and got all endings.

It takes a special breed of player to go for the evil ending first. I don't have the nerve to do it, I always feel guilty.

I generally play the good ending first and then go grey for next playthrough since its probably more realistic of how you would have to act to survive in most games like Fallout........evil I find isn't generally done well and it usually just means act like a *bleep* to everybody and blow up your allies base for no particular reason. There is generally no real reason or benefit to acting 'evil' beyond maybe getting a unique weapon becuase you killed the 'good guys'.

Now if being the Dark Lord of Boston gave me a different storyline to the main story, or opened up new missions, weapon options, armour etc......