I would say the inclusion of those things was a olive branch to old players of the originals, even if they screwed it up. It was their attempt to show how they will follow the FO Universe, and they touched on every game, including Tactics.

You can say who uses T-45D, and I can say who uses Airships? Why build airships when you supposedly have Vertibirds from the Enclave? IF those even are Enclave Verts, and not native to the area, seeing how we see some in the 2077 intro. IE, the MWBoS could have come to the area and taken Vertibirds that were already in Boston.

There are two Arthurian references in FOT that are not easter eggs, so that doesn't necessarily mean anything either.

We will find out in Nov, unless there is some leak or they spill the beans beforehand, which could come if they give the exact date of the game(If Oct 2277, it is surely not the CWBoS).

btw, I like the new avatar. Did you draw it? Good job if so.

Exactly, and now they don't need to offer a olive branch anymore because they have a brand new, large customer base, is my belief.

By disregarding everything in the trailer as "who knows" just stifles discussion. Only Lyon's Brotherhood have been seen to utilise Vertibirds, only Lyon's Brotherhood have been seen to use T-45d (the MWBoS made their own, new PA after-all). I think that they certainly took the airship idea from Tactics but nothing more.

By disregarding reasonable conclusions that can be drawn from the trailer it really just seems like your going on faith which I am certain will not be rewarded. I personally already know that what I want is unlikely and do not hope for it. It's not worth the disappointment man.

Also the http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/9/93/Prydwen_E3_InFlames.png/revision/latest?cb=20150616010017has a large gantry section beneath it which looks like some kind landing or unloading platform. I think that the airship will be the Brotherhood's forward operating base in the region whilst the Vertibirds are obviously on hand for the considerable tactical flexibility that they offer.

I've never played tactics so I wouldn't know them. Either way, Bethesda really went HAM on the theme and I don't see why they'd stop or make it any less blatant.

Nah man, I can't draw. Just took it offhttp://www.deviantart.com/art/4th-of-July-538867175 and crudely edited out parts using the remove background tool in word.

I don't have anything to be let down on. Either it MW or CW BoS. I would prefer MW, as it gives more lore options and will be a way to fill in a huge chunk of timeline from FOT to FO4. If it isn't, I'm not going to be let down. I would be slightly disappointed at a missed opportunity.

IF the game is 2277, it is clearly MWBoS. If they set game a couple to few years later, I wouldn't be surprised if it is MW AND CW. Nor would I be surprised if it was CW alone. I wouldn't even be surprised if it was WC BoS.

Part of the reason for having an ongoing franchise and one with deep lore, is to touch base on previous games. We still don't know what is canon from FOT, and this is an opportunity to do so. If they just continue the story from 3, without any mention of previous games, it is another FO title with no data on previous games, just like 3 had almost no data, which is something I feel the series needed to change, and the 4th game had to give lore info on Tactics(and 3) in order for it to really feel like a FO game from back in the day.

Now, I have a bad feeling that while we may get info on Tactics(If it MWBoS), we may not get any lore from 3(because of the date). I would prefer lore on both, and I would prefer both MW and CW in game. But I have a feeling we will only get lore for one game, with maybe some kind of mentions about the other. For example, if it takes place in Oct 2277, there may be some new about earlier events in 3, maybe even a first edition wasteland survival guide fresh off the press, and some mention about a water purifier up and running, but that is stuff we already know so meh.

So, I don't really care, but I am leaning for what would be more interesting and give the most lore, which would actually be both factions. It isn't like I have a favorite BoS faction, I enjoy the lore as a whole and want as much of it as possible in 4, seeing how 3 was very light on previous lore. IE Enclave lost(no duh) and hey look there is Harold.

You do realize that's a random event and about as canon as the time traveling gateway from Star Trek and the Tardis random events in fallout 1 or the Chris Avellone Child-killer killer in Fallout 2.

the time-traveling gateway IS canon in star trek......

several of the special encounters have ended up being more, take the Aliens from one in fallout 2 then being part of a DLC, which IS canon.

Right but there is no reason to take THAT random encounter as canon. For the most part they are nothing but a playful random event like a time traveling gate where the vault dweller breaks the water chip or the four horseman talking around a campfire with one of them making fun of the intro.

There is no example of the Brotherhood of Steel being anything close to Arthurian and a single silly encounter based off of Monty Python and the Holy Grail that hasn't been confirmed as canon should be taken as an example.

We did get to see a few of the PA options and it included T-45 but not the MWBoS PA, however Bethesda seems to enjoy completely changing concrete designs from before their ownership of Fallout so maybe MWBoS's PA doesnt exist and has been retconned to be T-45, otherwise it does fit a little bit for it to be Lyon's Chapter (or the Outcasts) ALTHOUGH Obsidian did bother to give the BoS in NV T-45 armor (even though they almost never wear it in-game) so that could implicate that it is a full-retcon of all BoS that they "have" T-45 at least in storage...personally i would prefer MWBoS over Lyon's Chapter for FO4

I think the whole reason for the PC getting the T-45 is because the BoS in the Mojave couldn't spare anything more valuable.

But they also had plenty of sets behind the Quartermaster, used T-45 exclusively if you get them to help the NCR in the final battle, and the NCR Heavy Troopers wear salvaged T-45 from their war with the BoS

MrMattyPlays has a good pluasible explanation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn0UuTSE5XM! But if it is Lyons chapter 5 to 10 years could be long enuff to have lyons recruite from the Capital Wastes or the splinter group Outcasts could be the ones in Boston. Not to mention Lyons may have left with airship blue prints but could not build them until after the Capital Wastes were perged of the Enclave.

Eh. Is anyone sort of bored with the Brotherhood (in all its iterations) and wish they weren't in the game?

no

Fallout without the BoS is not Fallout, might as well have Star Wars without the Force

Those are more of a reference to Monty Python than Arthurian Legend. Just look at all the bones!

that is like saying Elder Scrolls without all the guilds......

Fallout Tactics had a BoS soldier named Lancelot and im pretty sure he is as much a serious part of that game as anything else

I Agree with Warpsmith on this. BOS Enclave.

Yeah, that they are shoe-horned into everything is wrong. They never used to play such a big role in the old Fallouts, nor did they ever appear so large as a group to be able to operate so many expansive chapters (considering that the WCBoS never let anyone outside join).

AND: It would make a perfect SETUP for a future Washington DLC (to re-visit at least some of the places from FO3)

won't stop me from trying to destroy the brotherhood.

Here's the dialogue:

There's also a small detachment in Chicago, but they're off the radar. Gone rogue. Long story.

It does say "small." True it doesn't necessarily indicate that the MWBOS is in dire straights or anything, but you'd think if the MWBOS was a massive continent-spanning Empire that would register a bit more with Rothschild.

Even if they controlled most of Illinois I'd still argue there's no reason for them to be in the Commonwealth. If we're going to encounter the MWBOS, lets encounter them on their home territory, not shoe-horned into Fallout 4. Especially when Lyon's BOS makes much more sense to include.

One guys name isn't proof that the entire organization are influenced by Arthurian legand. That name could also just be from the Midwest BoS's love of nicknames (Farsight, Rage, Boomer ,etc.) The titles they use like Paladin and Knight could be influences of such legands, but I've always thought it was more of a reference to DnD, which is what I think of when I think of a Paladin. That's just the quick conclusion I came up with when I first came across a Paladin in game.

Also, Tactics is not something you want to draw evidence from, as what parts are considered canon are still not entirely clear. All we really know is that there is a branch of the Brotherhood in the Midwest around Chicago.

Edit: This discussion of Arthurian legand stuff was originally about the Western Brotherhood and not so much the Midwestern. I seem to have been confusing them and getting this whole discussion mixed up. Whoops!

True. But they are also betting on the millions of Skyrim players. Check Steam. FO3 and NV are being downloaded now. And if you check out the Nexus, mods are being downloaded and commented on now.

Which is a win-win for us all.

I hope Beth doesn't pull the same crap Bioware does by including characters (or lore) from sources that most players have never seen. Think Cole in DAI or Kai Lang in ME3.

Well, I not saying they are an empire, and it doesn't take an empire to send an expedition to Boston if there was a reason, which I would imagine there would be. If it them I would assume there will be a tie in with the Institute and something they learned in Vault 0.

But to send an Airship (considering that they all crashed in Tactics that means they built new ones) and who knows how many Vertibirds that they'd somehow acquired. It's hardly an expidition by the looks of it.

you do realise that your argueing that a company that made or tried to make a lot of Michael Kirkbrides later fan fiction part of TES lore would not make random Easter eggs from previous Fallout titles lore right?

Seriously its like Challenging Dale Earnhart Jr to race when you and he are in the cars at the starting line.

Just give a resigned sigh when you hear "Beam me up ...." and you find yourself in/on the Star shaped Enterprise.