I have played fallout 3 and new vegas and i have never found anything like it.

You want it? It's yours my friend, http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/XL70E3_%28Fallout_Tactics%29

I though the weapons from fallout tactics are not canon because same of them are real world weapons?.(built after world war two)

There were a few bullpup weapons that existed before the divergence and the conditions that saw their spread in the 80s and 90s could have seen the same thing happen in the Fallout universe - although perhaps at a different time. I wouldn't rule them out but if they existed they were pretty rare.

fallout 2's shotguns- the pancor jackhammer , H&K CAWS and the city-killer shotgun were all bullpup

The weapons from Tactics are canon but I doubt we will ever see them again because Bethesda does not want real world weapons in their games even if they were made before the end of the 1950s.

Most of the real world weapons from Tactics were weapons made before the end of the 1950s or were on the drawing board.

Fallout 2 had the desert eagle.

To be fair to Bethesda, MCA also considered the real world weapons in FO2 to be a mistake.

Fallout 1 had the desert eagle .too, and the normal combat shotgun from 1 and 2 was bullpup I think. And I personally think there's no actual problem with "real life" or "1960's to 1990's) weapons.

I don't see it as a mistake. Weapons not from the 1950s down I can see being out of place such as the desert eagle but it was in te originals so I say its canon.

I like the mix of real world weapons from Tactics and the Fallout Universe weapons. Most of the real world weapons from Tactics were before the timeline split. Some are still used in armies today. So I don't see the problem. Fallout 2 has the Tommy Gun and so does Tactics. I am not saying they should be common weapons in the Fallout Universe for they would be well over 300 years old in some cases. Still the M2 Browning .50cal is a weapon I can see being very common in the fallout Universe. New Vegas gives us an M1 Garand but its just called "This Machine."

There were some bullpups throughout the series.

This is also in Fallout 2 along with the LSW.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/XL70E3_(Fallout_2)
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/LSW

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Combat_shotgun_%28Fallout%29

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/H%26K_CAWS_%28Fallout_2%29

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Pancor_Jackhammer_%28Fallout_2%29

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/H%26K_G11E

That shouldn't matter. The laser rifles were built after ww2 also. The Fallout world is not conceptually restricted to the 50's... its more culturally inclined towards them. Anything invented would just have a 50's aesthetic ~even a cell phone.

One issue with real-world weapons: Licensing costs. A lot of the companies that made these guns still exist, and don't really want their product being ripped off or depicted in a bad way unless they're getting some royalties. That's why most games with, say, cars make up manufacturers and models (GTA) because the cars aren't the main focus of the game. Weapons aren't Fallout's main focus, and so Bethesda doesn't feel the need to piss off a bunch of very powerful companies.
That being said, I want MP-44s.

Some gun companies would/might pay to have their weapons in a game. Fallout Tactics has alot of real world weapons in it, many from the 1950s on down. I don't know if the Devs were paid or asked to put them in by weapons companies. Its just that they are a company and having their weapons in a game is publicity. Now wheather that publicity is good or bad depends on what those weapons are killing :thumbsup:

There was a time they might.....now the meme is you pay to use the image of thier gun/aircraft/automobile/ect. I hear it has caused real problems for the model airplane industry as most WW2 aircraft manufacturers are still around and want thier cut.

I am not a lawyer but wouldn't things like weapons from that long ago 40s to 50s be public domain? also considering how common the items are and that people were able to use them in the past, I am guessing for free? It would be like having to pay every car manufacture for having their cars in the background of a movie or tv.

The very least they could just do what they did for the M1 Garand. Just call it something else.

The aug was developed in 1977. The m-4 assult carbine developed in 1994. IMO If the m-4 can be in the aug can be in. If it goes by what would have been developed, and plasma rifles were developed then every conventional weapon in the world would have been developed.

Thing is United States even now isn t really messing with bull pup weapons. We do stuff like make the m-16 shorter m-4. Even the SCAR doesn t really look like a bull pup weapon (but it might be)

Hard to tell what the U.S. will have by 2077 fo3 makes it look like we fought in alaska with a G3. The time split thing is wacked trying to understand it.

Anyway the foreign bull pup weapons wouldn t be here anyway. Sure some people have augs in the U.S. but they r not common. Therefore they would be even less common 200 years after a nuclear war.

IMO no bull pups in fo U.S. unless the SCAR counts as one I ll check.

The SCAR isn t a bull pup, but we cancelled the order on those and the XM-8s, because we are running out of money, so I guess we ll get using the m-4 and m-16 till the end of time. Only some spec op units have these.


On a side note they did a test to see what weapon should replace the m-4. They fired 60,000 rounds in a extremely dusty environment with 40 newer assult rifles and the xm-8 won with only 127 stoppages. The scar was 2nd with 226. THE M-4 QUIT WORKING 882 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!

Our poor men............

Why? I adored rocking with the FN FAL in Fallout 2. It is completely believable that said assault rifle is good enough to hang on for nearly 300 years, so long a 7.62mm and replacement parts are manufactured. There's only so many ways to make a ballistic weapon, and the FN FAL is rightfully placed amongst the greatest of them.

Hell the "R91" in FO3 just looks like a slightly oversized (and completely bean-counter pansyfied**) FN anyway.

***I spit on 5.56mm

I thought the r91 looked more like the East German G3. What ever fo3 stayed close to the 50s favoring time split.

Thing is if they start naming everything all real weapons. I m sure there r not many FN FALs in the U.S. It wouldn t make sense to have many of them at all 200 years after a nuclear war.

By not naming them real names they can keep weapons like the r91 in and no one will be like "why r there 800 G3/FALs laying around DC 200 years after a nuclear war."
The British and Argentina used them in the Fawkland sp? Islands. U.S. Never used them. * The fawkland islands were the only time in history where 2 countries squared off with the same assult rifle. The British used a semi auto version of the FAL (control) and the Argentina people used the full auto version*

This way you can have a FN FAL/G3 combo looking weapon make a story about it call it an r91 and boom there it is.

They probably do, but they're all laying on the cratered battlegrounds of central Europe & the Middle East. The bullpup is a completely European design, mainly favored by European nations. I know countries outside Europe have adopted bullpup designs, but it's never really been an 'American thing', so not as much in Fallout territory. The Chinese assault rifle of 2077 is basically a chinese AK of today. And the U.S. 'guns' (not EN weapons) are essentially contemporary. I assume Europe would follow suit.

That being said, a rifle like the Steyr AUG could be a really interesting Fallout weapon. It's modular, so you could change barrels (and receivers?) to fit your available ammo. A Steyr in 5.56 with "change-outs" in .308 and 9mm would add a new dynamic to long-range treks on hardcoe. And maybe the process of changing out the calibers has it's own mini-game, like lockpicking or hacking?

In fact, we (the British) could have been using bullpups back in the 50s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtjVf724G7w) if the Americans didn't interfere.