Buy PC or Laptop ?

Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:06 am

Ever read on the back of the games?: "Laptopchipsets are not supported". In addition to that you can get a much more powerful PC for the same amount of money. And its more comfortable to play. Only thing you'll need extra is a good monitor, which you most likely already have. PCs are best for gaming, Laptops are best for working, browsing or casualgaming.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:48 am

Everytime I took a laptop for gaming, it worked awesome for like a year, then was [censored] up. The pieces are too small, too close together and not cooled enough, they overheat if you play demanding games very often.

Got my desktop PC for about 3 years now, it works perfectly and nails far cry 2, crysis and all stuff like this finger in the nose.

If you think long term, think desktop. It's upgradable, has better vent system, and hardware is more appropriate for next gen games.
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Dan Scott
 
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:36 am

Look, the laptop equivalent of a 600 pound PC is the same as a 1000 pound+ laptop. By all means, if your rolling in cash then get a laptop, but the logical choice for a gamer because its so much cheaper, is a PC.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:46 am

If you follow the link to the Maingear site, the fastest processor they offer is the Core i7 2920XM, which has a stock clock speed of 2.5 GHz. They require that processor in order to overclock it, and while they say they'll overclock it, they don't promise anything about 4.8 GHz. If it has a fully unlocked multiplier, they might be able to push it to near 4 GHz without using any more power than the video card does. Of course, that's because that comparison is to the hottest laptop video card ever. And I mean "hottest" in the bad sense of the word.

They'd have to use a different motherboard from normal, in order to be able to feed more power to the processor. They'd also need a strong cooling system. But if you make the laptop thick and heavy enough and the fans noisy enough, they can more or less keep it adequately cooled.

For some halo products like this, the real point of the product is to get some publicity, from news stories and forum threads like this one. If you hadn't previously thought of Maingear today, then you have now.

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It also depends on your budget. For a gaming laptop on a $2000 budget, you should definitely get a Radeon HD 6970M. Ideally, you'd like a Core i7 2720QM, but may need to accept a lower bin Core i7 2630QM for budget reasons. The higher bins above 2720QM are too much more expensive for not enough more performance. It would also be nice to get an SSD instead of a hard drive, but that may be impractical if you need a lot of storage space.

If you need long battery life, then you're really in a bind. Gaming video cards use quite a bit of power at idle, which zaps the battery pretty fast. In a desktop, it's no big deal for a video card to use 10-15 W at idle, but in a laptop, that's a problem. Both AMD and Nvidia have switchable graphics to turn off the video card and use the Intel integrated graphics, but that doesn't seem to get implemented with higher end video cards.

If you want a gaming laptop and also need long battery life in the same laptop, then you should wait to see what AMD's upcoming Llano APU offers. It might be possible to pair a Radeon HD 6970M with the top bin of Llano, and switch between the discrete video card and integrated graphics very smoothly, so that you can power down the video card entirely when it isn't needed for gaming. I'm sure AMD would love to have that sort of switchable graphics; it's really just a question of whether they can. But it should be a lot easier to make it work right when the same driver controls both the integrated graphics and the discrete card than when the discrete card has to decide whether to take over without having the slightest clue what the integrated graphics chip is doing internally.

Hopefully AMD would be able to offer more aggressive CPU clock speeds while turning off the integrated graphics. If the entire APU has a TDP of 45 W, then without the graphics, that should be able to handle four Llano cores at 3 GHz or so. That won't catch a Core i7 2720QM in performance, in spite of the higher clock speed, but it would be in the same ballpark. If a lot of the TDP is reserved for the graphics, so that with the graphics off, the chip can't use more than 25 W, then Llano could be rather bad for higher end gaming laptops.

Sager, Eurocom, and Alienware all sell the hardware that I describe in the first paragraph of this post. Asus and MSI don't yet, so I'm not sure if they're just taking their time, or if they think it will make more sense to pair parts with Llano rather than Sandy Bridge for a higher end gaming laptop. They surely know a lot about Llano performance that we don't.
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My recommendation:

Don't get a gaming laptop. Even if you need a laptop and also need a gaming machine, it's often better to buy both a cheap laptop and a gaming desktop than a gaming laptop. In fact, that's what you should do unless the whole point is to have a gaming machine that you can take with you when you travel, and play games on it when you travel.

Not to mention desktops offer more "bang for the buck", don't have the heating issues, MUCH easier to upgrade, etc.


Battery Life doesn't matter. It could have a battery life of 10 minutes and I'd be fine with that. My budget is around $4000. I've read on other forums that Sager is better than Alienware.

I found this website for Falcon computers.
http://www.falcon-nw.com/laptops/drx/tech-specs

The DRX laptop looks alright; 1333 MHz DDR3 (12 GB MAX) and processing power up to 3.3GHz. My primary concern is being able to play TESIII without any performance lag. A gaming rig that can run Crysis Warhead smoothly may not necessarily be able to run Morrowind with extreme mods smoothly, especially with the town expansion mod "Pelagiad Expanded" because it adds so many buildings to the exterior cells.
Do you think Sager is best to go with? Better than Alienware and Falcon?
http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_info&model_name=NP7282 by Sager looks decent. Nothing that wows me. Is a really good graphics card and video card and tons of DDR3 RAM more important than having a super fast quad core processor?

And yes, my computer has to be a laptop; no desktop.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:30 am

If you want a gaming computer, then I only ask one thing: are you in college?

If the answer is yes, then by all means get a laptop, as it's so freaking useful. Especially if you need to use more demanding applications. I, for example, need my laptop not just for gaming but also for 3d rendering and material and geometry deformation simulation (mechanical engineering), and since I'm on a tight budget, no desktop for me. As for overheating, some are making it way out of proportion. Yes, some laptops have the propensity of overheating, but decent gaming laptops run games perfectly on high settings with insignificant increase in heat. The only downside is that usually or you plug your battery when playing, or you have to lower the performance of the laptop or you'll risk spending all your battery in 5-10 minutes.

But really, there aren't that many situations where a laptop is the better choice...
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:22 am

For us college students, could anybody recommend a good manufacturer or customizer site for mid-to-high end laptops? My father and I went to Staples the other day just to get an idea of the different screen sizes, and even the crappy mainstream companies like Dell and HP utilizing only Intel i3 processor tech seemed to be a little...underwhelming.

I'd consider upgrading my desktop and then just buying a cheap laptop for utilitarian school stuff, but that wouldn't exactly be cost-effective either since I'd have to get a new mobo and processor entirely before I could up the RAM and graphics card any further.

As a part-time graphic designer and wannabe art student, I myself do a lot of work with demanding Adobe and Autodesk applications. Being able to run Microsoft Office alone just won't cut it. Then ideally I could get Skyrim working at...say...medium settings or better? Any good suggestions? The price cap would be somewhere from around $800-900.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:18 pm

BootySweat, is DreamColor 2 just a screen? If so, why can't I customize my Sager laptop to have that type of screen? I don't see why it would be isolated to only HP computers.


I think it is a proprietary technology developed by HP. I've only seen it on Elitebooks and some very expensive monitors.


I found http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/228276/maingear_announces_3d_laptop_with_48ghz_processor.html which talks about a 4.8 GHz processor for laptops.

I was looking at what graphics cards are the best/newest for laptops and found http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparison-of-Laptop-Graphics-Cards.130.0.html. I'm guessing the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 485M SLI is the best graphics card money can buy for gaming laptops. It mentions that you need a big laptop, which is good, since I'm wanting a screen around 20". I could always just buy an external monitor to plug into the laptop. What are your thoughts? http://www.maingear.com/boutique/pc/configurePrd.asp?idproduct=797 is that laptop, which looks like it won't be released until next month in June. Although, I could care less about 3D gaming. I just want top of the line SSD, as much RAM as I can get, and very fast over-clocked processors in my laptop.


I would agree, the 485M is probably the best gaming card for a laptop and IIRC, there is a way to enable CUDA hardware acceleration with the 485M for CS5 apps like Photoshop, After Effects and Premiere. However, if you want to go that route, there are some monstrous desktop replacement beasts out there that actually use desktop video cards or dual laptop cards in SLI or Crossfire.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:28 am

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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:28 am

Completely wrong.

I have a laptop and I only sit on one place. I have my laptop in my living room--where my TV is. So I get to watch TV AND play Skyrim. Also, what if your house is on fire? Your Skyrim game save is screwed!! Unless you have a laptop.

*detach everything from tower*
*take tower :bolt: *
:hurr durr:
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:51 am

You could do either or. The PC is usually stronger then the Laptop but the PC can't be moved around as much as a Laptop and If your on the road it's really hard to take your tower, moniter, Speakers with you unless your a computer geek that knows how to put those stuff back together.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:52 pm

Desktops if your not going anywhere, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229221 will run skyrim max with lots of mods, no question.

If you move around a lot, you want a laptop. I'm not just saying this because I have an MSI laptop, but if you are going laptop... MSI do great gaming laptops. So do Asus, and although toshiba are not too reputable in the gaming laptop market, they are still great laptops. Here's one to save up for http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834214177 I'd imagine that would run skyrim max... if not, close to max.

Keep in mind, 600 dollar desktop = 1000 dollar laptop or at least somewhere around that.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:24 am

I think a better way is to ask what causes one person's game to give high frame rate as opposed to another person's game that has super high frame rates? Is it the RAM? The CPU?
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:59 am

I think a better way is to ask what causes one person's game to give high frame rate as opposed to another person's game that has super high frame rates? Is it the RAM? The CPU?


Mostly it is a combination of the video card and the display resolution.

a few games are more or less CPU intensive than others, but with a crappy video card you are out of luck regardless of your CPU
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:33 am

Mostly it is a combination of the video card and the display resolution.

a few games are more or less CPU intensive than others, but with a crappy video card you are out of luck regardless of your CPU
So I've been focusing and fretting over the CPU for nothing? I was under the impression that if you had a quad core overclocked to 5 GHz, you'd be able to breeze through every exterior cell in TESIII without any stuttering, clunkiness, or load times between adjacent exterior cells. So you're saying the problem mostly lies within the video card and how good of a monitor you have?
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:08 pm

This is a bit irrelevant, but why are people always referring to laptops as though they weren't PCs? They are PCs...
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:29 pm

So I've been focusing and fretting over the CPU for nothing? I was under the impression that if you had a quad core overclocked to 5 GHz, you'd be able to breeze through every exterior cell in TESIII without any stuttering, clunkiness, or load times between adjacent exterior cells. So you're saying the problem mostly lies within the video card and how good of a monitor you have?


Yes, it is mainly the video card. Some games will benefit more than others from a faster CPU however. (TES games have a lot of NPCs, so it will be helpful)

If you have a very high resolution monitor like 2560x1440 etc., then you need a more powerful video card.

If you have a low resolution monitor like 800x600 then you can use a crappy video card.

IMO, however, anything lower than 1920x1080 looks pretty ugly once you have become accustomed to 1080p resolution gaming with hi res textures.

Load times don't really have much to do with the CPU or video card. Load times depend a lot more on your hard drive type. If you have a decent SSD then load times disappear.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:29 pm

What video card do you have, BootySweat? And how large is your screen(s)?
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:43 pm

What video card do you have, BootySweat? And how large is your screen(s)?


My display is 1920x1080 and I game on a laptop with AMD 5830M laptop video card.

It's able to handle most recent games at least around 30-40 fps, some a lot better. Witcher 2 Ultra settings, ubersampling disabled I get around 25-28 fps.

Vanilla Oblivion is constant 60fps with vsync enabled. After installing about 150+ mods, my fps drops to around 40-45.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:23 pm

Have you tried playing Dragon Age 2 on it? My friend says there is a big battle in the beginning that kills his frame rate. I don't know what his specs are but he bought his computer last year at Best Buy or Staples so it's not that old.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:04 pm

Have you tried playing Dragon Age 2 on it? My friend says there is a big battle in the beginning that kills his frame rate. I don't know what his specs are but he bought his computer last year at Best Buy or Staples so it's not that old.


Yeah DA2 runs excellent on my laptop at 1920x1080, DX11 mode, high res texture pack, SSAO enabled, High Quality motion blur, 16 x AF, 4 x AA, all other settings completely maxed, except

slows down in
  • cut scenes where there is a lot of fire in the background.
  • exterior areas where there are moving cloud shadows on the ground.

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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:33 pm

wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut:/facepalm?

Laptops of equal specs are going to be slower and far more expensive than a desktop of equal specs.

1: hardware is downclocked because of massive heat issue's
2: two hardware is for the most part NOT upgradable
3: never buy a laptop for gaming

If you need to BUY a desktop then go with ibuypower/cyberpower pc, honestly though building one is easy.

Q: have you ever played with lego's as a child
IF YES then you are now qualified to build a gaming rig.


Umm your misinformed on most of this, you need to keep up with your tech news, it is a fact that gaming laptops are catching up to their desktop counterparts due to leaps ahead in technology and heat saving components especially with the new Sandy Bridge Intel processsors. Technology is making the new chips much faster but also smaller and requiring less power and generating less heat allowing them to be installed into the faster laptops.

For example the new Sandy Bridge G73 from Asus performs as well as its gaming desktops counterparts as many reviews conclude :

http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/hardware/34513/asus-ships-sandy-bridge-based-g73sw-gaming-laptop

http://www.technologyrekor.eu/asus-g73sw-sandy-bridge-gaming-notebook-review-hands-on.html

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Asus-G73SW-Gaming-Notebook-Review/

I have seen countless videos of people playing Crysis 2 and other demanding games on this laptop in FULL-HD that is 1920X1080 without any slowdowns or hiccups so safe to say it should run Skyrim quite well.

Plus you have the ability to move to whatever room you like to game which for me is a must given I have a 18 month old girl :) Yes they are more expensive than their desktop counterparts but for mobility, space saving and performance I don't think you can go wrong. In short yes the newer faster laptops are desktop replacements there isn't really much that they can't do compared to their Desktop counterparts these days plus they have built in WiFi for internet and Bluetooth.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:49 pm

Yeah DA2 runs excellent on my laptop at 1920x1080, DX11 mode, high res texture pack, SSAO enabled, High Quality motion blur, 16 x AF, 4 x AA, all other settings completely maxed, except

slows down in
  • cut scenes where there is a lot of fire in the background.
  • exterior areas where there are moving cloud shadows on the ground.


Nice! What does Screen Space Ambient Occlusion do that is different from the ordinary occlusion? (I had to look up SSAO on wikipedia).
And what are AF and AA?


Thorn2002, do you think Sager laptops are becoming much better than Asus laptops?
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:47 pm

PC is always better in EVERY respect besides cost. Wanna know why laptops are so cheap? BECAUSE THEY'RE CRAP.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:21 am

Nice! What does Screen Space Ambient Occlusion do that is different from the ordinary occlusion? (I had to look up SSAO on wikipedia).

Honestly I have no idea but it looks pretty :tongue:

If you install OBGEv2 and ENBSeries mods you can get SSAO features for Oblivion

And what are AF and AA?

Anisotropic Filtering somehow improves the way that textures are rendered.

In my experience with most recent games, boosting the AF to 16x seems to have a huge visual improvement, but almost no reduction in fps.

Anti-Aliasing smooths out jagged diagonal lines. I can't really notice much visual difference going from 2x AA to 16x AA, but it causes a huge reduction in fps for me.

Thorn2002, do you think Sager laptops are becoming much better than Asus laptops?

Sager laptops have been top of the line for several years, at least in terms of performance for gaming. They are a bit on the bulky side, but I think they look much better than the Asus spaceship design. They are also assembled (at least at XoticPC) with the gamer in mind with extra attention to things like thermal paste and upgradeability via the MXM connector. It's my understanding that Asus uses a proprietary MXM connector that makes it difficult or not possible to upgrade the video card.
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Post » Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:05 am

PC is always better in EVERY respect besides cost. Wanna know why laptops are so cheap? BECAUSE THEY'RE CRAP.


Read my above post, you sir don't have any clue to what you are talking about, 10 years ago maybe but this hasn't been the case in the last 5 at least. Gaming laptops are not cheaper btw but considering you get everything in one package instead of buying your box, keyboard, mouse, screen, speakers it works very close to their desktop counterparts. Wakey wakey!
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