Buying a new video card. Will it run ESO well ?

Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:02 pm

very well said which is why I stated earlier to go with Nvidia most games are optimized for Nvidia nowadays rather than ATI

personally i recommend at LEAST a GTX 650 video card, it is very affordable nowadays I believe actually they can be found for under 100 bux, I dont know if there is a 650 256 bit version Personally I recommend a 660 2gb 256 bit carde to most of my customers at the least anything other than that I really dont look at because they are pretty much obsolete for what I offer my customers, when I sell a computer system to a customer I tell them the system will remain relevant for at LEAST the next 5 years from the time the computer is built, anytime you build a computer I recommend building one good enough to where barring bad things that happen, the computer should remain relevant for 5 - 7 years before needing to be replaced

oh yeah another thing make sure your GPU has the two fan cooling system on it wether it be ACX or whatever the flavour is you will find much better temperatures on these cards versus the cards that do not have the cooling system on them or the single fan versions

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:34 pm

Poison, i dont know the Apevia cases(so i dont wanna comment on that), but i cannot imagine the airflow beeing better than with the Corsair Carbide AIR. Have you ever made a build in one? The clever thing about the case is that the PSU and all cables are on the backside of the Mobo in a separate compartment. Over the PSU fan theres an intake from the case to that side (the PSU is standing on the side).

On the other side of the mobo you only have the board itself. all cables can be very neatly brought through the holes, and just need to look that far out to be plugged in. Now depending on how you configure the fan settings, you can have an unobstructed airflow from intake to outflow. and you seriously tell me a regular tower with everything cramped in the same area (and thus heat dissipation) has far far superior airflow than a case with comparted sections providing airflow free of cables, ssd/hdd and the psu?? just look at the case and it should be clear which one is better...

I just made a build in that case for my office (actually the gf's computer). i cool the cpu with a corsair hydro h100i, and have it set up in the top blowing out (not optimal but theres not much heat in there anyway). i get approx 8° kelvin difference case temp to room temp with just 5 fans... i dont know how much better it can get.

oh and btw, regarding GFX card coolers - i actually prefer for air cooled cards a radial fan blowing out the hot air out in the back of the case (through the outtake slots) instead of a top down blower (even if its 2-3 fans) causing for turbulences in the airflow and spreading warm air all inside of the case.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:50 pm

OMG wow. As a long time gamer, a super dweeb and someone who was literally raised in a computer store. Do not listen to this guy. ASUS gear is great quality! They make the best motherboards and video cards(along with evga). Never spend a goodly amount of money on any gfx that is not ASUS or EVGA would be my first advise to any PC gamer regardless of what chipset they prefer.

Gigabyte and Sapphire are the real bottom of the barrel and use the cheapest parts on the card / heatsink / fan and tend to run 20-30% hotter than any ASUS or EVGA.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:02 pm

ATI does not even exist anymore for peet sake and was bought up by AMD what like 5(6?) years ago now.

Definitely do not listen to this guy.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:58 am

lol well guess what mr super dweeb :tongue: ASUS motherboards fail a LOT in recent years, the number one motherboard that comes into my shop on a regular basis is Asus, and as far graphics cards go labelling Gigabyte the bottom of the barrel is just nuts, gigabyte anything is reliable as heck for example my 15 year old hasa 9 year old gigabyte that is still running strong and can still play most games out there without any issues, but whatever I digress go ahead and spend your money on Asus and keep trying to label me an idiot :smile: I dont mind it

ATI does not even exist anymore for peet sake and was bought up by AMD what like 5(6?) years ago now.

Definitely do not listen to this guy.

and btw ATI still exists the company may not exist but ATI radeons are labelled radeons and are still basically distinguished as an ATI card for the purpose of distinction, when you discuss GPU chips it is for the most part either an Nvidia chip or an ATI chip. its a moot point wether or not the company ATI still exists, you are jumping on semantics in an effort to discredit me...how about this go look at my build that I posted and then feel free after you do some research to try and discredit or not discredit. thank you, the build I posted IS a very high quality build and of great value for the price that you pay

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:32 pm

from a nerd perspective (i build like 30 pc's in the last 10 years for me/family/friends) i have owned and used both asus and gigabyte mobos. And i have to say i actually like asus better than gigabyte. so i cant acknowledge the statement that asus is producing crap and has alot of failures (both companies definately have monday builds that just fail and need rma).

One company that definately shines with mobos since socket 1150 is ASROCK. There Mobos need approx 20mv less for the same chip/settings than asus boards (Gigabyte sorry to say needs even more than asus, so they definately have bios/driver problems on the most recent chipsets and with the IVR in the cpu). Also, ASRock has reasonable prices - far better than asus, have to say.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:13 am

Heh it's fair to say Asus vs Gigabyte is open to opinion (I have both now, historically only ever had problems with Asus motherboards).

That said, Computer Stores are the worst place on the planet to get an education in computers. They are the most unreliable places imaginable to get any technical information.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:13 am

Not to tread on your thread (you seem to have been answered anyway), but any of you comp wizards wanna tell me if this is a decent buy and whether or not it'd handle ESO on ultra?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834313684

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Post » Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:09 pm

I agree ASRock is a decent Mobo its just not my personal preference when building a system I tend to stick with what has worked well for me over the years the OP requested information on what is recommended I personally offered a valid recommendation on a valid system he can build for his money, technicalities that are being used to pick apart my statements like wether or not a SSD is a better option than a standard 1 TB HD are not what he was lookin for his budget is limited I gave him a high quality system for his money. of course there are other builds as well that can be offered but again you have to factor in his finances when offering a build and offering something like a 760 when a 660 will perform just as well for his needs and finances is not offering him a valid BUDGET system

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:15 am

well i agree on the budget part - must have overread that. but honestly i would rather reccommend buying an ssd 120GB + 500GB Hdd and have OS on the SSD than 2x1 TB HD. The performance gain (also relevant to the question if TESO will run on High/Ultra). In order to save money, and its also what i used to do when i did not earn much - i always when upgrading my machine i merged my old hdd's in the new build. so i never had capacity problems, but the performance boost i got from my first SSD was astonishing, also providing more stable and increased fps in alot of games...

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Post » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:13 pm

It would be wise to any thinking about upgrading their GPU for this game to hold off.

This game is heavily CPU bound...your CPU will hold you back way before your GPU does.

Now granted if your running some old 9800GT or something, then yeah probably upgrade...but if your running an Nvidia GTX 600 Series, or an AMD HD 7000 series type of GPU, i'd wait...

This game doesn't have a true "Full Screen Mode" it has a Borderless Window Mode...what this means is in Windows, The Game has to send requests to The Window Manager (Windows Explorer and WDM) and it then decides where the pixels are place on the screen, etc....this is also done on the CPU. This makes the game perform like garbage. (This is just very rough quick explanation of how this works)

Give the game a "True Full Screen Mode" would result in about a 10-15 FPS increase for everyone across the board and a much smoother experience....not to mention True Full Screen would allow AMD CrossfireX to work and would also iron out the performance issues for Nvidia SLI as an added bonus...you can use SLI in Window mode, but it scales like poo, and really just doesn't perform well...Nvidia reccomends SLI be run in Full Screen Mode, and AMD don't even bother supporting Windowed Mode for CrossfireX

Bottom line is, right now this game is poorly optimized...CPU is going to hold you back big time no matter what GPU you have due to poor optimization and borderless window.

I am hoping ZOS has Full Screen Mode ready in time for launch...that will make this game run better for everyone regardless of if they are using Single Card, SLI, Crossfire...it will remove a good bit of the CPU overhead as well.

Just so you know, There are folks with Intel Core I7-4770K CPU's (a 340 dollar CPU one of Intel's high End Haswell Chips) that can't keep 60FPS in PVP in Cyrodiil with high end GPU's....the game is horribly optimized right now plan and simple, and getting a better GPU won't change the fact this game is more CPU bound then anything....

the best upgrade one could do for this game is to get I5-3570k and a good Watercooler, and Overclock that 3570k to about 4.2 - 4.4 Ghz to help alleviate the CPU bound nature of this game...I think many will find even after upgrading their GPU, that their CPU will still hold them back significalty....just my 2 cents.

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Post » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:25 pm

It's a good choice as far as laptops go, most likely ultra when eso gets sli support.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:05 am

Beards!

Seems ok, but it's not always black & white with laptops. The CPU is bottom-of-the-range desktop i7 speeds, and 750M's aren't especially great, and I don know if you'll benefit from SLI in ESO (seem to recall someone saying no SLI support -- don't take my word for it, do a search).

Yeah, but when you're playing on a Q6&00, anything is an upgrade :)

Totally agree though; I'll never buy an HDD for OS disk again. Not. Worth. It.

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Post » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:59 pm

dude - your probably right but i cannot say its poorly optimized?? i think if you compare to any other mmo its actually better optimized in pvp (the problem is rather the sheer amout of network traffic the client/server hast to process for the other players)...

anyway i have a watercooled (custom loop with a 9x120 rad) i7 4770k, oced to 4.7 Ghz, a GTX 780 EVGA oced to 1280 Ghz and i also drop below 60 fps when 200 ppl are around me. but show me another mmo that actually holds up with more than 50 other players around?

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:03 pm

Well i currently have a Q6600@3ghz and a 550ti with 4GB and I can run on everything high except I have to drop textures to med. It runs well with textures on high but there's a slight stutter which I'm sure is down to my lack of memory but also ESO has an issue with a freeze on some people PCs and zenimax said they are addressing it and it was less last beta.

I'm building a new system within the next 3 months with I7 and a 7 or 8 series Gforce if the 8s out by the time I buy a new card cause the 550 will have to do me at first.

Have you thought of overclocking the CPU? I can get mine to 3.2 on air (SLACR), so you should get it pretty high with modest overclock.
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Post » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:09 pm

Pardon me. No they do not!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies

ATI Technologies Inc. was a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_industry corporation based in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markham,_Ontario, Ontario, Canada, that specialized in the development of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipsets. Founded in 1985 as Array Technologies Industry, the company was listed publicly in 1993 and was acquired by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices (AMD) in 2006.

Amd specializes in making chipsets that is their core business and the direct reason they bought up ATI. What a Radeon is today is far far different then what a Radeon was 10 years ago it is just a name. ALL of the 64 bit architecture ALL of it even Intels comes from AMD. Take a browse down though some of your win7 windows folders some and you will see AMD related folders and files listed because they invented 64 bit architecture.

http://imgur.com/fXr8Frh

AMD (not ATI) Radeon 6870 I just replaced a year ago and sold for $75.

Honestly man I hate to argue but you should just stuff it now because I promise you and everyone else here you have no clue what so ever and are literally talking out your rear. I will not argue or fight and just leave it at that. But you should too.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:14 am

Thanks! But in regards to the CPU, it says "Turbo Boost up to 3.4GHz". Whats up with that, and is it significant?

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:55 am

Turboboost is an Intel feature, you'll find on all current Intel CPUs (maybe not i3). It speeds up your CPU when the application you're running demands more oomph, and slows it down again when it doesn't.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:51 am

Okay cool. Thanks!

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:56 am

Just to put this to bed, ATI were bought in 2006, the ATI brand was last used in 2010. Even the SDK docs are all AMD.

Now think of kittens.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:55 am

To each there own, but I'd never buy a Gigabyte video card. I've had nothing but good experiences with all things made by Asus.

Moving back to the OP's question...

I have an XFX R9-270X and it performed excellent on Ultra. However, I have a bit more CPU than you so your results might be a little different. For comparison, I'm running the AMD FX-8350 at stock speeds with video settings on Ultra. The only thing I turned down was shadows. I put it on medium because I actually liked how it looked better. I get 60FPS most everywhere I go, with the occassional drops when lots of people are on the screen. In Cyrodill I dropped as low at 20FPS at one point where I had tons of people and effects on the screen at a keep defense. That's to be expected though.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:15 am

You have been answered in the thread you made asking the same question.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:18 am

I asked it in here first, and nobody answered as additional posts were made, so I made the thread in fear that the question would be looked over. If ya must know.

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:04 am

@topic starter: It is ok. 7 of 10 verry good at german pc mags. 3 sayed "well. it is not so good".

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Post » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:48 am

I didn't ask, but fair enough.

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