Talking about not being a courier, the chances of being a courier superhero are so small it wouldn't happen.

Legion, The strongest, boldest shade of grey :thumbsup:

But I am a courier superhero. :confused:

I'd hardly call the legion "gray." Unless we're going with yet more of the completely asinine moral relativism BS that people keep confusing with good storytelling.

NCR is the only power worth it's salt in FNV.

I love how RPGs are tookin so seriously, but some of u guys over do it. BTW i'm with house. I'm the gambling type.

Its alright, I should've made that more clear.

That's true, but not all governments offer that, atleast not enough to please their people which starts revolutions.

Which might happen somewhere in the NCR's future.

NCR.

Deal with it. :toughninja:

It's kind of Ironic when Ledgen said "We could argue all thread about this, Lets just agree to disagree."

And that Sebor say that the conversation isn't a circle so there's no need, but then he says later that the conversation is a circle. It was just funny to me.


OT: NCR.

removed

I chose Legion. True to Caesar.

I chose Yes Man. It's uncertainty yes and anarchy, but in time things will settle for the better.
Under the leadership of the Courier, New Vegas will prosper and the Mojave shall spring to life.

My other views:

House:
Honestly I couldn't side with House for his attitude and the way he wants to turn New Vegas & the world into a cold re-imagining of the past.
I also got the benelovent dictator vibe from him. All in all he didn't do very well at persuading me over to his cause, nor did he sound very promising.

New California Republic:
Broadcasting freedom and liberty, but providing death penalties & heavy taxes. Corrupt due to politicians accepting Brahmin Baron bribes.
Soldiers fighting for a cause which is never attained. There's a lot of bad points, but Chief Hanlon and others seem to show a better side to them.
I didn't side with them because they need a mighty kick up the ass, reformations to their government and stabilizations of their current communities.

Caesar's Legion:
Their ideals are to be somewhat respected. Long term survival at the cost of most freedoms and disassembling of background identities.
However, like Marcus says "Caesar thinks he can change human nature. Most of the Legion is following Caesar, not Caesar's ideals. When he's gone, it'll crumble."
I agree. Legate Lanius is his successor and yet he does not care about the legion's ideals, going from Caesar's opinion of him and his endings if he becomes caesar.

If I could have, I would have sided with Brotherhood of Steel / Great Khans at conquering Hoover Dam, but I guess Independent Vegas helps them all the same.

I choose independent because unlike a lot of people on here I don't believe that Yes-Man immediately pulls a HAL 9000 and starts trying to take over the entire mojave. there is almost no in-game evidence to indicate that this would happen; only one sentence where yes-man says he is going to upgrade himself to be more "assertive."

there is more evidence that says becoming "assertive" means simply that he will just start following Houses original plan for the future of mankind without deviation. This is evidenced by that fact that Yes-man prefers that you follow Mr house's plan and will show disappointment when you deviate from that plan (I.e. sparing the brotherhood, destroying the underground bunker of securitrons, letting kimball die.)

Independant is the best IMO because it allows every settlement/community to choose it's own path. The securitrons were specifically designed to protect Vegas and nothing else, so yes-man would actually have full control over only a very small area of the mojave (victor explains that his combat parameters reset to an "observe and report" mode when outside of the constantly updated and synced network of Mr House; the range of which itself is very small since goodsprings is out of range House's network.). Most of the smaller settlements do not need power from the dam (it was mostly McCarren and NCR military bases that used the Dam's energy; not places like goodsprings or primm), and since they were mostly self sufficient they could decide when and/or if they wanted to band together and create a union of sorts.

House is A Technocrat not a Autocrat. You should really read up on your House lore because you pegged him completely wrong. He views Demacracy as a failed experiment and tried to save people before the Nukes hit but his system wasn't ready and it took all his might to simply bring it back online before he lapsed into a Comma. House eventually becomes a force for good (thanks to the Currier) and takes care of the people. House also offers stability and opportunity because no matter who you are you should have to chance to make it big. It has little to do with greed.

Legion isn't bad ether.

NCR is corrupt as hell and obviously your favorite.

Independent is a death trap waiting to happen.

I go House. He offers stability, technology, and eventually helps the people. He built a nation, he survived for over 200 years and logically it will probably be cannon.

Te way i wanted to finish was:
The Courier follows the yes man branch and gathers up the boomers and brotherhood as his friends, but not just like that. I wanted him on The Legion side.
Befriending The Legion and killing Caesar to get his throne. Forming my (The couriers empire)
But unfortunatelly, the game is liniar and doesn't allow me to build my character this way. WHY?
I took the right path (at least that's what i think) this first time i played the game but got hung up on the brotherhood matter with The legion.
Damn, gotta loose them. But The Legion doesn't apreciate that i'm building my own upgraded robot army, and turns on me on the last step. Not fair. How could they know that the courier is upgrading the robots allaround Vegas and taking charge.

As wee see in our world Independent is a Utopia. It doesn't matter who's in charge they will guide the evolution of a comunitt in their interest, and maybe (the good ones) for the comunity itself (the citizens). In a small -> huge percentage every leader is a dictator.
Even in the purest democracy.
The leader is responsable for the ones under his command and thus he carries the weight on his shoulder. And his decisions go.

It's not linear, Fallout 3 was linear.
It's just not "that" branching.
I'd love to have The Tops and Powder Gangers form an alliance then take over the Mojave and have it become a raider haven but I can't do it.
Doesn't mean the game is linear.
Just means that they didn't have enough time to develop these kinds of outcomes.

i loved fallout games since the begining, and their limited liniarity (meaning if you wanted to finish the game, the player must have passed some quests)
i would've hoped that by now, the developers of this title would understand the necesity to keep it as openminded for everything.
(i'm seeing hints on how to make a 100 skill points for every skill in various ways by taking a lvl1 character to certain places. no killing, no quest to complete first)
so why did they preset just a handfull of choises. i agree for the great factions having separate endings, but give us some space to develop other things than a character.

maybe some of us want not just a max lvl character, that pwns every monster out there, but would like to explore the post nuclear world and the interactions of the inhabitants. It's like karma. If a sneaking character steals nobody knows, and should be no loss in karma. If The character maker an agreement in a secret chamber with a robot, and nobody else knows, why would it reduce the status with another faction.

these limitations could be unlocked with addons, not just creating new environments/characters/weapons.
this would increase replayabillity of the game.

house woud be my only choise for the future of mankind. ar some ghoul that interacts with Yes man, and sets his way. This ghoul would require an intelligent and resourcefull person (being albe to reach yes man), and would live a very long time to be able to put in place the puzzle of the empire

Slitting the throats of anyone who thinks they have a right to the peoples land is most fun
The courier is the biggest badass in the wasteland... who better to run it?

I would look past the "slavery" and sixism in the Legion. Every nation has faults! And as a woman you, the courier, would be highly valued at least for how amazing your sons would be in battle.

hahaha.... that is a lot to look past. most of the world got rid of slavery in the 1800's for a reason, doesn't work in the long run.

But before that, countries had it for several hundreds, even thousand, of years?

But were talking hundreds of years after that, with a completley different society, that has been influenced alot by Pre-war societies, more so the modern as far as idealolgies go.

I put slavery in quotes for a reason. I don't even consider slaves in the Legion to be slaves, they're just the lower class. Everybody is a "slave" to Caesar anyways if you want to look at it that way.

btw, not trying to endorse slavery here, but did you study real Roman history? Slaves made it what it was, but it wasn't a slave revolt that caused its demise.

No, but in the day and age this game is in it would majorly contribute to the fall of the legion. Forcing that kind of treatment on people is a terrible thing to do. Other powers would learn of the legion, and seek its destruction.

I can't see the Legion falling to such a thing as a petty slave revolt, they would be put down or beaten for an action they took that was outside their duties, so for them to organise a revolt and take on the Legion and its army which willing follow Caesar's every order is obsurd.
I can't think of any RL example where slaves have rose up and toppled their masters, please give me one if you know one.

I like Independent

somebody is eating the freedom propaganda from american movies.
but they themselves are slaves. slaves to one power. money. as we see nowadays, the "money" is a big problem.
hell even in the Old world blues add-on (if you take the right speech choise) the character hears that doctor mobius foretold the problems that led to the end-game and "money" as a major factor. in other words cause i don't have the time and care to qoute every word from the game.
so the idea of slavery has been, IS, and will be in our society, in every form imaginable. The basic idea is that someone is owning someone else without the latters possibility of freedom.
let's see:
credit cards - banks own us
real estate credits - with mortgage & stuff

they make u own them with your free will, and then when the time comes, you don't even know what hits you.
at least in The Legion's form of slavery, a young boy/girl knows it's real place and what has to be done to climb the social ladder