Fallout New Vegas is awesome...the story is just great and i love it
3 huge armies battling it out for New Vegas, every side seemed to have a shade of Gray although
as you all know Skyrim is coming out, and i really want to put New Vegas down...but i just cant i didn't pick my personal canon official ending yet and I'm having trouble choosing what side is the right and what side is wrong, I already beat all the DLC, im max level and I'm at the Tipping point where i have to choose what side im going to be on and i haven't got the SLIGHTEST F*** CLUE all the sides seem to have the right idea if you think into it

What Canon ending did you reading this Choose for New Vegas? and Why? maybe your insight and reasoning will help me choose before Skyrim comes out >.< and one more thing before u read this long ass paragraph i made, feel free to argue among yourselves it actually helps

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO READ THIS PART ITS JUST ME RANTING WITH MYSELF ABOUT WHATS RIGHT AND WRONG
easiest to hardest

The way i see it is this
The NCR- has good intentions and have helped by building roads and killing the raiders but, according to ingame dialogue its all for their personal gain. They are corrupt and greedy and push the locals as if their government is nothing.... and although some of the troops may honestly care about New Vegas their leaders look at it as a way to gain power... they dont really care about Vegas
i dont have a problem with the NCR, i have a problem with the fat-cats running it
Me: "well im safe...im happy"
NCR: "yes, yes you are but remember you work for us, now get back to work you well fed slave"

The Legion- Brutal, Firm, sixist, Strong and Honest "or at least to me". They are trying to rid the world of their bitter savagery and greed and aim to not making the same mistakes the world did before the bombs fell, this almost socialist society offers everyone personal freedom "in a sick way". Other then the fact they threat women like breeding cattle and have slaves, i like the legion...but like i said i cant get over them treating women like breeding dogs and keeping Slaves is just wrong anyway you put it, but again they are all safe and free and apart of something bigger, the Legion, they are literally a nation of the strongest of the strongest, the best of the best. No Governments or Dictatorships. Your all Legion and are all equally useful, we are giving you purpose by making you slaves, the purpose of being equally Legion, its like if Spartans had a nation
Legion: "You are apart of something bigger, more important then yourself you are Legion and you are many, you can never be defeated and will crush your enemies for yourself, for the Legion"
Me: "but only if I'm not a women or dont have any birth defects right?"


House- House is Rude, and...well rude..i dont know why he does anything, or maybe i do. This man wants to be a frickin Autocrat...the ONE SUPREME RULER OF NEW VEGAS!!! but in his ending he turns new Vegas into the center of the worlds of technology and colonizing planets, thats good and all, but what i dont know....why? just to do it? just to say i did it? personal achievement? the People of Freeside are slaughtered and house doesn't truly care about people at all, but hes uncurruptable...he will rule mankind and show them the way to the starts whether mankind wants to or not? what the hell is that who do you think you are? are you helping house or are you helping man kind? you un-understandable man
maybe its just me being humanly greedy but One Man shouldn't be allowed so much power. i dont like it how
cit 1"who making those space rockets?"
cit 2"that house guy i know nothing about, and i think he wants us to get in? why should i trust him hell who the hell does he think he is?"
i dont know how to explain house, hes good but hes not right...

Independent Vegas- Destroying all that the hard work the NCR has done to civilize the land, shattering the Unity and strength Legion has fought so hard to create and the Destroying a brilliant mans hard worked accomplishments and wisdom of pre-war tec know how, you do all this just to make Vegas independent and for what? safety and personal freedom? just to not be told what to do? I dont know this ending really bothered me. And in the end i just felt like a selfish teenager who's looking for any reason to rebel and wreak sh*t "well i kinda am but still" You destroy so much getting this ending, so much good undone by just making the people of new Vegas free, by new Vegas i mean freeside, the casinos are all greedy and given the chance would eat each other....and who would rule this new Vegas? me? I'm too busy thinking about my awesome gun, killing epic beast and Red Lucy's sweet ass and about where i can find some tasty fancy lads. I'm not fit to run a nation nor do i want to, then that leads
the Followers? I love those guys i really do but they couldn't survive one a group of organized raiders let alone the next dictator that wants to New Vegas

The Followers: "Thank you, now new Vegas is independent and we can help the people of freeside, without the those robots protecting new Vegas"
Me: looks at the ruins and wasted brilliants of the dead "independent for how long and at what cost?"

NCR for me. I like the whole organization of them and their way of life.

I pick House, he is a genius who will likely cause New Vegas to be the centerpiece of a Renaissance period for the west.

Legion is a Dictatorship.
Caesar is well, their Caesar...

And I'm NCR. Real life Pre-Post-Apocalyptic NCR Born and Raised. May even be moving out to Vegas in a year or so...gotta go tame the land. And I'll do it wearing my Military Jacket with the NCR patch on the shoulder [Really have this jacket, even got a name tape with my last name on it, I feakin' love this jacket]

Hell, also did an NCR pumpkin carving for halloween. Even got it on that Bethblog slideshow
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/387644_1900161522368_1791593005_1343896_1679035053_n.jpg

Cl is not a dictatorship, a dictatorship does not have a plan after the dictator dies. CL has a plan, although not a very good one but a plan none the less.

And why would you move out to Vegas when its House territory? :hubbahubba:

Fine, because of their weak plans it's only kind of a dictatorship haha.

And mostly so I can wander around saying "Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter"

I didnt know that, whats the Legions plan for when Caesar dies?

For Lanius to take over, they have a chain of command but no competant leader in it.

No just no. If you knew what a dictatorship is you'd know you weren't even close to it. CL is a dictatorship, like it or not. And Cl doesn't have a plan to do when he's done.

I do know what a dictatorship is, dictatorships have no plan for when their leader dies.

CL has a chain of command when Caesar kicks the bucket. Although none of his potential replacements really seems like they could lead CL well.

NCR, the lightest shade of Grey.

CL has a plan. They have numerous backups and people named. You never went to the fort with Boone did you?

Did I miss something, when I went with Boone we just kicked some major ass. Although weirdest thing, I remember seeing Vulpes in the scuffle in the tent [His head took a shot from my Sequoia I believe. Him, Lucius, and Caesar were my last 3 kills for Against All Tyrants]. But couldn't find his corpse in the aftermath.

No. A Dictatorship is a government in which one man has the most power in it. They are unrestricted by law, constitutions, or other social and political factors within the state. There.

CL has no plan with what do with it's people. It has lineage, but that's it. Only one person is named. Not numerous. And that is Lanuis.

I believe it would be defined as a monarchy, there are heirs but not blood related.

And Lucius is named to be after Lanius so you are wrong with that. There are also others I do not care to look up (I remembered Lanius and Lucius were heirs).

It's a dictatorship, how many times do I have to tell you that?

Only Lanuis and Lucius are named.

I just checked the dictionary definitions and CL fits more of a monarchy, people inherite power.

You first said only Lanius was mentioned, I am sure they mentioned others.

I follow the true path!
None of those idiots have any claim to vegas.

Caesar and his Legion are backwards and have no future in vegas.
House is an idiot who thinks he owns the Strip. It felt so good to kill him!
NCR is trouble and will turn vegas into anoher Reno.

The only hope for a future is the U.M.F.
Farming, Security and Power.
Vegas needs a proper leader and a proper army.

:facepalm:
Once again no, he is one of the smartest people to ever live. He owned Vegas before the Great War and then saved it from the Great War, he owns New Vegas and DESERVES New Vegas.



House can offer that and much more.

He owned the Lucky 38, thats it.
He has no right to any other part of it.

House can offer a speech to fufill his ego, His attitude to the kings and primm for accepting NCR help proves he is no leader.

He owns all of the casinos and Vault 21. The only building the NCR owns is an abandon one he had no plans for other than to let it rot.

He has absolute rights, has anybody else waited two centuries to be able to take it over? Did they build weapons to disable nukes and save a city? NO!


He is not a leader because he doesn't want his people to have loyalties to his potential enemies? What kind of screwed up view is that?

Casinos........can you farm with Casinos?
He saved no city, He saved the strip and thats it.
Look outside of it, Most of its ruins.

People who accept NCR help to try and save their communitys?
Kill them for trying to live a better life?
What kind of screwed up view is that?

We could argue all thread about this, Lets just agree to disagree.

His casinos can make enough caps to buy crops, water, and guns for an small nation.

Nope, he saved all of Vegas but only kept the Strip in shape, the rest became ruins from disrepair. It is specifically said that only a handful of nukes fell in the area, none falling on Vegas itself.



People who have formed ties with the NCR simply cannot be trusted. If you ran a nation and you came across a settlement that supported your enemies would you accept them into your borders as if they were neutral?

And I have no idea where you are getting your information from but he did not kill them, he placed securitrons to watch them and collected heavier taxes.



Why? This is how a discussion works.

If we were going in circles with an arguement I would agree to disagree but this is just a discussion.

Buy from who?
The retreating Legion?
The Pissed off NCR?
He dug vegas's grave, He has no future.

So he could have saved all the Power stations, Forts and Houses?
But instead he saved the Strip, A monument to his ego.

He killed the kings, did he not?
The Van graffs have ties to the NCR, they must die.
The Crimson caravan has ties to the NCR, they must die.
He just shot himself in the foot.

Taxes for what?
He has no trade links and has cut off his one source of Bussiness, what can he buy from himself?

It is going to end up in circles, Its happened many,many times before.

I think you're mistaken here on a great many things. House doesn't not want the NCR eliminated. He wants his own personal fiefdom with a long term relationship with the NCR. He has no need to eliminate the Van Graffs or the Crimson Caravans.

Lets look at the order of withdrawal:


He's building an economy based on energy; water... and Tourism. There's a huge trade link - he has something the NCR wants and can't get any other way.