Caesar’s Legion : Fallout: New Vegas

» Thu May 03, 2012 7:56 am

You've made some very excellent points here. Perhaps a good explanation and reminder as to the similarities was what I needed.

Thanks

The only reason I remember all of that stuff about the Legion is because I'm currently doing a Legion play-through. I didn't really notice the similarities either until this last play-through, and now that I'm seeing how well Caesar's application of history to the present is working, I have gained a lot of respect for the Legion as a faction. Respect for both the developers for creating the faction (I used to think the Legion was kind of stupid writing wise) and respect for the Legion itself as being far better than the NCR in most every way.

I didn't actually make the connection between the pre-Marian Republican Legion formation and how Caesar deploy's his forces. Is there indeed indication that he uses the hastati/principes/triarii deployment? Obviously in practice one doesn't see it because you can have Veterans attacking before recruits and such, but this is simply a result of game mechanics. So my question is of course based more in lore.

Oddly enough, Chief Hanlon is the only character that explains this (as far as I know at least) as I've never heard any member of the Legion say anything about it. Somewhere in his long-winded dialogue, he talks about how the Legion sends a wave of recruits first, then the primes, then the veterans. I think he says it if you ask him about the First Battle of Hoover Dam, but I'm not sure.

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:37 am

but why use the roman empire as an influence? In my opinion this is a ridiculous and unnessary faction especially since unarmed combat is almost useless in the waste land! Even the legion uses guns which is almost hypocritical in my opinion of what the preach.

They use guns when it gives them the advantage. They do not rely on them.

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:25 pm

The reason why they are in the situation they are in is because they refused Mr. House's offer to become his enforcers. House recognized them as the greatest immediate threat to his New Vegas so he used the three gangs who did join him to push the Great Khans out of the Vegas area. They started harassing the NCR because of their long standing animosity with them until the NCR annihilated Bitter Springs.

Perhaps they are responsible for their own downfall, but they are still a very interesting faction that I would like to see more of in a future game. Also, the reason why I first replied to you was to explain the main reason why they supply the Fiends with chems, the moral dilemma didn't enter into it.

They most likely will, EVEN if you choose to exterminate them in the end slideshow it shows that few survived and are heading out to rebuild.

» Wed May 02, 2012 10:44 pm

Caesar's Legion is one of the four factions that represents a type of government:

NCR - Democracy and how it'll turn out in the end. Corruption and internal strife with politicians only wishing to push their own agenda, as seen with Kimball.

House - Capitalist Despotism. He's definitely a dictator and he's unconcerned about the sufferings of individuals so long as Vegas prospers. The textbook definition of a capitalist with visions that don't account for the people beyond their usefulness to the goal.

Indie - Anarchic or Wild Card. It's supposed to be anarchic but Yes Man doesn't turn into Skynet, at least that's how J.E Sawyer tells the fans what "assertive" means. But with that said, the Courier can make it into anything.

Caesar's Legion - Dictatorship with the long term goal of a stable society. Caesar isn't corrupt, he's like Mr. House but individuality is erased from the beginning. His Empire will be a great super organism and conquer probably everything that stands in their way until eventually, it collapses like all civilizations and from it, a new humanity will emerge from its ashes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As for why they base it off of the Roman Empire...well which European Empire conquered the Gallic Tribes (86 Tribes of Fallout), crossed the Rubicon (Colorado) with a great army (Caesar's Legion) and conquered the Senatus Populusque Romanus (NCR)? It's all a metaphor.