I barely ever ran into assassins before the latest patch. I've been enjoying turning them into goo with the plasma caster

Why would you say that?

Because the Legion and the Taliban have nothing in common, obviously.

It still goes, but maybe the Legate is commanding them, besides didn't someone in the game say that Ceaser's death does not matter, and that they have a long line of successors planned already? Was it Boone?

Theres nothing guerilla about the way the legion fight...

As soon as I entered his tent I shot him in the face with a .357 revolver. Critical hit and his head fell to the ground, no more Caesar.

Then I did it again and again for about ten minutes until I got bored.

No, it was both Marcus and House.

I hope they're wrong.

You don't really know anything about the Taliban or Caesar's Legion. The Taliban, like CL believe in the total war doctrine that is interpreted through Sharia Law. Their treatment of women is nearly the same or worse than CL. These guys don't always use guerilla warfare tactics, and CL sometimes do (Camp Searchlight). Both are oppressive societies, but dissimiliar. My point is there are more similiarities than differences. I never talked to a member of Taliban. I read their propaganda, I had many briefs about them, and I shot at them and got shot at by them. So, yeah CL is not a carbon copy, just similiar enough for me to not like them.

Fair enough. It's subjective anyway but I can certainly see the points you're trying to make.

Also, I have to admit, I kinda like Caesar. He had the guts to pull something together, even if he is delusional, and try to recreate his own world. How many would do that in an apocalyptic state? Ok, he's not totally creative, and basically just riding on the coattails of something that really worked, in its time...

... Still. Fun to kill/be enemies with.

Don't get me wrong I can see why people like Caesar, but don't be fooled by his ideology. Also using religon as an excuse to massacre, enslave, and just be a general pain is evil; but I have seen worse things in RL. So, watch out future sons of Mars you might end up in the crosshairs of my scope someday, but you'll never hear or see it coming.

These CL haters are downright ignorant and pathetic.

That drinking game sounds cool though. *points a gun* Start telling.

I would agree that many are ignorant, not because they dislike the Legion but because they refuse to even listen to what they have to say.

I wouldn't say that as it would no doubt start a flame war.

Tell that to them... if only they would be willing to think rationally.....

People don't own people...death to slavers. After the first game, I don't kill Caesar myself. I let Boone have him. He gets to have Lanius too...just like he had Vulpes and all those assassination squads. It's wasteland justice without crucifixion or burning people alive or crippling their legs or chopping off their heads...because I'm not buying what Caesar's trying to sell, um, I mean force on me.

They crucify people .

What part of that do legion lovers not understand ?

House a brilliant and egocentric genius who was able to predict the end of the world

Marcus a 130 year old mutant who has seen more crap then most people and understand human nature better then humans do

Doubtful that they are wrong.


The Legate is a idiot. Hes so blinded by blood thirst and so hell bent on destroying things he could never destroy such as the Enclave remnants he would drive Caesar's Legion into a pit in a matter of years.

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The Legate's not an idiot, nor is he blind. You also must realize that he is a tribal. Tribals are savages, and the Legion helps correct that. At least Lanius can be reasoned with.

And what's the Legion criteria for determining who's a degenerate ?

Let's see, if you're not a man and you're not wearing a skirt and a hat made of feathers , you're must be a degenerate !

I've listened to what the Legion has to say. They believe that technology led the world into decay, and that decipline and devotion are superior to technology. Caesar believes that the NCR is weak becuase they offer personal freedom over security and military might. He believes that they have become corupt and that his Legion is the answering force that will remove said corruption from the wastes.

While most of this is fairly accurate, Technology is a nice crutch in place of dicipline, and that the NCR has become corrupt (Oliver and Kimbel are evidence of that) and offers more personal freedom than security and strength. This does not make me want to join the Legion, nor does it make me think they are in the least bit acceptable.

The Legion belives that only the strong deserve rights. If you're not a capable fighter, and male, you are either killed or turned into a slave. Those who do not follow their strict guidlines are executed. they belive that they can take what they want simply because they are stronger. Yes, the wasteland is a dog eat dog world, but the Legion is adding to the problem rather than being part of the solution.

Also, as far as I know, they do not accept ghouls or super mutants, which is not okay. All in all, that makes the Legion misogynists, facists and purists. They've hit the trifecta of evil and for that basic reason they need to be destroyed. The Legion represents the eventual stagnation of the human race, and a backward decline into barbarism.

I sometimes feel that an RPG is a bit too complicated for these people, and should really just go play Call of Duty instead.

"Oh mai gawd, the Legion is totally like the Taliban, and they're at war with the New Caliornia Republic, which means they hate Americah!!! And nobody pisses on America while I'm around! *smells finger*..."

No, the degenerates are crucifying people who aren't degenerates.

/headdesk Why does every other thread devolve into...
OMG you support The Legion are you crazy, hate females, or like to see people crucified? Or
OMG you hate The Legion you are narrow minded, short sighted, and... smelly (mkay not so much the latter)

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OP no matter what you do, and I mean no matter what (unless you raise your Legion rep) the assassins will keep coming. You can literally kill every single Legion NPC in the Mojave (outside of those that spawn no matter what for the Dam) and you will still get attacked. Same if you piss off the NCR.

As long as you can survive them then enjoy the free xp, and loot that you don't even have to go hunting for. Its not every mob that walks up to you, and asked to be killed :goodjob: .

Oh yes because the only reason the people hate the Legion is because they oppose the reimagining of American government. It couldn't possibly be because they have cruel executions, support slavery, conquer for the sake of conquering, forbay the use of any form of technology to those who weren't lucky enough to be born Edward Sallow, are sixist and have a pretentious nit-wits like yourself rooting for them calling anyone who disagrees a buffoon or narrow minded. :banghead:

Get off your high horse, and it's the New California Republic, honestly if your going to insult people at least get the damn name right.

You know what? I'm deciding to research a new technology that allows me to reach into my computer screen and slap a person through their own screen for acting like a jerk. Then I'll sell it and make billions.