Caesars Legion in the future : Fallout: New Vegas

» Sun May 16, 2010 2:15 am

Ugh...

Caesar himself tells us that Lanius cares NOT for the Legion. He kills his own men, not out of tradition/motivation, he kills them simply because he *enjoys* killing..

Another twist..

Wikia entry: "When spoken to, Lanius reveals himself to be more honorable man then people claim he is, and care more for his soldiers than Caesar lets on. He states that treachery should not be relied on as a tactic, and hopes that the Omertas died after their plan to hold a coup on New Vegas Strip failed and they were discovered, as their aid in the Second Battle would have sullied the Legion. He also dislikes the amount of Legion men that Caesar sacrificed in his attempts to take the Dam, and that he would neither continue the attack on the Dam, nor lead the Legion east if it would only mean death to his army."

I'd suggest speaking to ALL characters and extract as much info as possible for arguments.

» Sat May 15, 2010 9:56 pm

Proof?

Everything I say, I can back up, you however, I doubt.

PROOF!! THE PROOFS IN THE GAME FOR GOD SAKES!!! He says it right from the lips of his mouth!! what more proof do you want??? :facepalm:

» Sun May 16, 2010 9:29 am

Play the game, go ask Caesar about Lanius.

I know the whole tribe story is not confirmed and I'm pretty sure that "Lanius kills his own soldier for lulz" is a load of hogwash as well.

EDIT- People stop bringing the Lanius origin stories into this, becuase THEY ARE NOT CANON

» Sat May 15, 2010 10:50 pm

Have you talked to Lanius? Caesar was obviously mistaken, or perhaps it was a blunder on Obsidian's part, but Lanius does care for his Legionaries. He talks about how he is frustrated with the pointless bloodshed of the Legionaries.

And again! My god man, so the game and the devs got it wrong and you're right? Oh ok..

» Sun May 16, 2010 3:00 am

And again! My god man, so the game and the devs got it wrong and you're right? Oh ok..

READ THE WIKI ENTRY

» Sun May 16, 2010 12:37 am

And again! My god man, so the game and the devs got it wrong and you're right? Oh ok..

Oh but for the love of holy Bruce Willis:

Wikia entry: "When spoken to, Lanius reveals himself to be more honorable man then people claim he is, and care more for his soldiers than Caesar lets on. He states that treachery should not be relied on as a tactic, and hopes that the Omertas died after their plan to hold a coup on New Vegas Strip failed and they were discovered, as their aid in the Second Battle would have sullied the Legion. He also dislikes the amount of Legion men that Caesar sacrificed in his attempts to take the Dam, and that he would neither continue the attack on the Dam, nor lead the Legion east if it would only mean death to his army."

I'd suggest speaking to ALL characters and extract as much info as possible for arguments.

» Sun May 16, 2010 12:02 pm

Wikia entry: "When spoken to, Lanius reveals himself to be more honorable man then people claim he is, and care more for his soldiers than Caesar lets on. He states that treachery should not be relied on as a tactic, and hopes that the Omertas died after their plan to hold a coup on New Vegas Strip failed and they were discovered, as their aid in the Second Battle would have sullied the Legion. He also dislikes the amount of Legion men that Caesar sacrificed in his attempts to take the Dam, and that he would neither continue the attack on the Dam, nor lead the Legion east if it would only mean death to his army."

I'd suggest speaking to ALL characters and extract as much info as possible for arguments.

Nice, so you are quite willing to completely ignore half the game facts as long as what remains backs up your theory?

» Sat May 15, 2010 11:11 pm

Nice, so you are quite willing to completely ignore half the game facts as long as what remains backs up your theory?

....What.... Facts...?

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You know how when in real life you and a person can discuss something and then the other person starts talking out of his ass? (Not directed at you or any other user here on the forums, it's meant as a hypothetic relevance to this post.)

Yeah, that's what other characters do with Lanius.

Just cause one character says something does not mean it's written in stone as a factual statement.
They can also be clueless as to what they're talking about.
And if you have not talked to Lanius, and by that I mean REALLY talked to Lanius, then it's you who are ignoring facts.

» Sat May 15, 2010 11:03 pm

Nice, so you are quite willing to completely ignore half the game facts as long as what remains backs up your theory?

What facts? Telling me to "play the game" is not facts.

» Sun May 16, 2010 6:59 am

Nice, so you are quite willing to completely ignore half the game facts as long as what remains backs up your theory?

Facts? You think a secondary source is more reliable than a primary?

» Sun May 16, 2010 9:56 am

"The Legate is less liked within the Legion as it seems as both Caesar and Vulpes Inculta show doubts at his ability to lead the Legion. Caesar openly admits that he does not think Lanius is worthy of being called a "great man" and believes he has no "love" for his Legion."

Also from the 'wiki'..

» Sun May 16, 2010 3:11 am

"The Legate is less liked within the Legion as it seems as both Caesar and Vulpes Inculta show doubts at his ability to lead the Legion. Caesar openly admits that he does not think Lanius is worthy of being called a "great man" and believes he has no "love" for his Legion."

Also from the 'wiki'..

If you continue the wiki it says that Caesar seems to have been mistaken.

Your ignorance is beginning to annoy me, and if I get warned again I'll be permanently banned from the site. I'm trying to continue this without descending into madness, but I think it'd be for the best if I go to sleep now.

» Sun May 16, 2010 7:06 am

Facts? You think a secondary source is more reliable than a primary?

Im pretty sure the stuff that ceaser says from his mouth is more primary than secondary...

» Sun May 16, 2010 12:17 am

"The Legate is less liked within the Legion as it seems as both Caesar and Vulpes Inculta show doubts at his ability to lead the Legion. Caesar openly admits that he does not think Lanius is worthy of being called a "great man" and believes he has no "love" for his Legion."

Also from the 'wiki'..

Is that what you consider "facts" ? That's funny man, real funny.

But really, that doesn't make it any more "factual" as meeting with Lanius proves quite the opposite.

» Sun May 16, 2010 3:05 am

....What.... Facts...?

*sigh*

The FACTS in the game? You know, the thing that all of these dumb topics keep getting brought up about? Or do you just consider what is said on the forum or wiki as facts? Caesar, vulpes, Mr new vegas... These ALL give primary evidence..
Things that you seem to ignore or claim are oversights because they don't fit with what YOU want the Legion to be...

» Sun May 16, 2010 10:50 am

Im pretty sure the stuff that ceaser says from his mouth is more primary than secondary...

Not more so than Lanius contradicting Caesar on what Caesar said about him, no?

» Sun May 16, 2010 10:27 am

"The Legate is less liked within the Legion as it seems as both Caesar and Vulpes Inculta show doubts at his ability to lead the Legion. Caesar openly admits that he does not think Lanius is worthy of being called a "great man" and believes he has no "love" for his Legion."

Also from the 'wiki'..

Yeah, that's "his" opinion, that's "his" perspective.
Does that mean that it's a fact that Lanius is a complete raging lunatic psychopath?
By basing Caesars views on him as a leader as facts?

Opinions =/= facts no matter who's opinion it is.

» Sun May 16, 2010 1:57 pm

If you continue the wiki it says that Caesar seems to have been mistaken.

Your ignorance is beginning to annoy me, and if I get warned again I'll be permanently banned from the site, so I'm just going to go to sleep now.

"Legate Lanius is very dedicated to the worship of Mars, the Roman god of war. His life is war and he lives only for battle. There are clues that Lanius may have become some sort of boogeyman for NCR (with Caesar reinforcing). The NCR military also have previously encountered and even photographed him, as Lanius appears on one of their anti-Legion posters. "

This also carries on in the wiki. Ignorance?! I'm not the one ignoring things that are BLATANTLY in the game because I don't like them. I'm not ignorant, you're simply deluded perhaps?

» Sun May 16, 2010 8:18 am

Yeah, that's "his" opinion, that's "his" perspective.
Does that mean that it's a fact that Lanius is a complete raging lunatic psychopath?
By basing Caesars views on him as a leader as facts?

Opinions =/= facts no matter who's opinion it is.

True as true could be. Oh man, this is kind of like Epicness1 all over again.

» Sun May 16, 2010 5:29 am

Yeah, that's "his" opinion, that's "his" perspective.
Does that mean that it's a fact that Lanius is a complete raging lunatic psychopath?
By basing Caesars views on him as a leader as facts?

Opinions =/= facts no matter who's opinion it is.

You're trying to argue that your opinion (a player) is more valid than something written into the game?

This is insane..

» Sun May 16, 2010 9:07 am

*sigh*

The FACTS in the game? You know, the thing that all of these dumb topics keep getting brought up about? Or do you just consider what is said on the forum or wiki as facts? Caesar, vulpes, Mr new vegas... These ALL give primary evidence..
Things that you seem to ignore or claim are oversights because they don't fit with what YOU want the Legion to be...

You haven't presented any facts.
You've presented what speculations and assumptions from characters in the game.
Speculation and/or assumption =/= facts.

And I find it very hypocritical that "I'm" ignoring evidence when you're clearly refusing to acknowledge what Lanius himself has to say.
I'm not ignoring your "evidence", I'm countering with that it ain't factual evidence but merely opinions and assumptions.

» Sun May 16, 2010 2:35 pm

You're trying to argue that your opinion (a player) is more valid than something written into the game?

This is insane..

No, we're just saying that lore (You know, factual stuff) says otherwise.

» Sun May 16, 2010 8:47 am

You're trying to argue that your opinion (a player) is more valid than something written into the game?

This is insane..

Caesar also says the NCR will fall. Does that make it fact?

» Sun May 16, 2010 3:46 am

Caesar also says the NCR will fall. Does that make it fact?

So will he because all great leaders and Gov. eventually will fail.

» Sun May 16, 2010 3:06 am

So will he because all great leaders and Gov. eventually will fail.

:facepalm: