I have, I didn't even think it deserved a response tbh. You realise he has a major contradiction in there right?

Caesar lies about Lanius to put fear in his troops minds? And yet the troopers talk about Lanius joining when he was 12.. :S Yeah..

Troopers means NCR Troopers, put things in different context and use your mind.

Ignore the post that even begins to argue with your endless arguements that are circular in nature.

Hmm, an interesting topic to be sure.

Jesus Christ.

Everything Caesar says about Lanius is a lie to put fear into troops so they don't rebel, the story where he killed his tribe and part of his face was torn off is complete crap- it takes a fool to not realize that.

Lets see, Caesar says Lanius does not care for the Legion OR his troops.

Wrong: He says if you side with him that he does not wish to sacrafice his troops for no reason, and if you- you know, pay attention he is intelligent and values his soldiers and the Legion and has honor and respect.

Caesar says he killed his tribe and had his face torn off, but guess what?

It's bullcrap, if he dies and you take his mask off you see that he has all of his face intact, also Legionaries who you talk to ingame reference the fact that when he was 12 he became a Legionary- which is more believable seeing that the majority of troops say that and it is'nt going off the saying of one man; one who proclaims himself to be the Son of Mars.

Another thing, Caesar paints him as a man who only fights to fight and believes in nothing other than violence:

He worships Mars, which shows that he isn't some beast who has no sense of loyalty or honor or sense of belief.

Thats a complete and utter lie! Troops so they don't rebel and... Eh.. Re-read your post and then have a think...
Completely contradictory, and no, you wasn't talking about the enemy, you wouldn't have said rebel.. a rebellion happens under something you control.. ie your own troops..

I'm pretty sure that's what you call a straw man.

For those of you who doubt that the Legion would suceed, play a game for the legion doing only the Legions main quest- and you will see how bad the NCR were off against the Legion.

The NCR Embassy is bombed and New Vegas are devastated with Omerta's and spies attacking it in a single launch of attack.
McCarran is destroyed and raided by Fiends, and the Train is destroyed from bombs.
Outposts are attacked, and destroyed.
Reinforcements are blocked off from the mainstream with blockades set by the Legion.

McCarran is destroyed and raided by Fiends

Oh, so because someone makes a mistake completely ruin my points?

Can one not have two meanings and forget?
You avoid the facts I put up, and attack a single screw up- it shows you can't debate this, though I know many others can.

Well thats a pointless argument.. Anyone you side with wins :S Hell I've killed ALL of CL including Caesar, Vulpes (in nipton ehe) and Lanius and THEN thrown the NCr general off the side of the damn, pushed the NCr back to california, become a BOS paladin, had the boomers work for me, destroyed the fiends and even had the ENCLAVE come and help me..

Pointless post Boradam

Hi ya.

Welcome to the forums!

Sincerely,

Ace Hanlon.

@ Boradam there is far more differences between the legion and NCR other than appearance.

Indeed it does, because if you meant the NCR would rebel that it just doesn't make any sense at all.. Rebel? They are at war for god sake.. :S

No, if you pay attention the NCR has to use a stranger, one who wasn't even trained in any of the certain tasks, find bombs, protect a president from assassination which can only be avoided if the player is there.

Play a NCR playthrough and do virtually nothing during that mission; the president dies and the rangers there are useless after that.

Play a game where you assist in nothing in the quests and go to the ending and you get the majority of what would have happened.

If the Courier was not there at all, The Legion would have pushed with the Legate at its head with Caesar dead from a tumor- but the NCR would too be dead.

Thanks!

I've been lurking for a month or so. Figured I'd might as well pop in and put my two cents in.

I agree that there are a ton of differences between the two major factions, one of the most obvious being the mentality of your average NCR soldier versus the mentality of your average legionarie. According to that captured Centurion from a quest that I'm having serious trouble remembering the name of (the interrogation that takes place in Camp Mccarran) in which the NCR soldier conducting the interrogation mentions that everyone in the Legion absolutely refuses to be taken alive. While I'm sure there are a couple exceptions to that rule the fact remains that your average NCR recruit isn't going to slit his own throat at the mere chance he'll be captured, though a ranger might.

No a ranger wouldnt they have a brain compacity far bigger than the average legionary to know better than to do that. They are Rangers whether they are Vets or no Vet..they are highly elite and will fight to the death before they would do something so shameful.

No, if you pay attention the NCR has to use a stranger, one who wasn't even trained in any of the certain tasks, find bombs, protect a president from assassination which can only be avoided if the player is there.

Play a NCR playthrough and do virtually nothing during that mission; the president dies and the rangers there are useless after that.

Play a game where you assist in nothing in the quests and go to the ending and you get the majority of what would have happened.

If the Courier was not there at all, The Legion would have pushed with the Legate at its head with Caesar dead from a tumor- but the NCR would too be dead.

And yet again you ignore the points I've put up otherwise, and even after I pointed out my intention; it seems you can only pull a strawman arguement now, so I assume your part in the debate is over.

Just because someone is a veteran does not mean they have a higher brain capacity, however it is the call of arms, loyalty, or terms of engagment which dictate something like killing ones self for a cause.

I've known several people who had to do so, a few years back.

Precisely what Boradam said. If it comes down to having to do the unthinkable to prevent the enemy from gaining valuable knowledge, someone utterly dedicated to their cause wouldn't even have to think about it. It would practically be a reflex in the face of unbeatable odds.

Suicide shows shame and dishonor and shouldn't be done. I would rather fight to the death than commit suicide.

What facts Boradam, you have simply re-used the old argument of what Lanius said over what Caesar says. which basically simply utilises the fact that the game has multiple endings.. This is exactly the trouble that someone was talking about in another thread. When there is multiple choices people will always use the otherwise contradictory evidence as rock solid proof to back up their theories.

I ignored your post because it was both contradictory and old, not because it was some kind of all conquering argument crusher. Get over yourself.

Suicide shows shame and dishonor and shouldn't be done. I would rather fight to the death than commit suicide.