I've often wondered at what point in the Fallout universe will large scale reconstruction occur with materials other than charred sheet metal and old cars. It seems there are a number of working industrial operations going on throughout the post-apocalyptic United States, but very little in the way of fresh, new, and striking architecture. Of course I'm not terribly familiar with the Fallout canon established by the first two games, it was New Vegas which first interested me in the older games and now I'm reading about the lore pre-FO3 and playing the games and enjoying it profusely. But where I'm going with all this is, supposing Caesar is successful at the Dam, how do you see the Mojave developing in the following years?

He's got all the resources he could possibly needed, and given his inspirations I'd imagine he'd be interested in casting his Mojave in the image of Ancient Rome which he so idolizes. I just think it's too cool to think about the Mojave 100 or 200 years down the line, with the Legion spreading out and forming a true Empire and bringing with it prosperity, architecture, their culture, safe trade routes etc etc and also imagining how the Mojave would look with grand buildings and villas and cities in the archaic style. A new Rome in the Mojave, and still along with all the robots and lasers and plasma and nukes and future-retro motifs. Not to mention, by that point the Legion would doubtlessly have developed some really, really cool outfits :tongue:

Anyhow sorry for this long and rambling post but it's just one of those things that keeps me coming back to this game, good for the imagination. What are your thoughts? Or even, how would the Mojave develop under the hand of the NCR over 100, 200 years? I hadn't even thought of that yet.... :mellow:

Caesar's Legion is just a fancy name for slavers. why would you support them? and look what happened to the old roman empire, and you can practically decimate CL by the end of the game:Kill Caesar, destroy the fort, Cottonwood Cove and legates camp during the final battle=no real leadership which means CL becomes like the jackals/vipers or fiends, just a nuisance.

reason: most if not all centurions are killed in 2^nd battle for Hoover Dam and centurions are taking orders from the Legate/Caesar even then Centurions can be killed by a skilled sniper, like Boone/1^st Recon

Nothing in the terms of architecture.. Have you beento the strip??

The Strip is Pre-War architecture surrounded by a bunch of old cars and sheet metal and various debris. I'm talking about the true, first new wave of Post-War architecture. And I suppose the question I'm really asking is, what is your own personal vision of the Mojave in the future? The Legion's Mojave, NCR's Mojave, Mr. House's, Yes Man's, how do you see those different possibilities turning out?

I'd rather have Legion over the others.
With Legion there'd be no more gangs or raiders or opposing factions that mess things up.
There'll only be legionnaires, slaves and citizens.
Nothing more, nothing less.
And I think that would be far better overall for the Mojave, to truly be unified under one banner.

House is just going to care about Vegas and it's immediate surrounding area and NCR is just gonna care about the places that are prosperous.
So I wouldn't really want to see either of them.

In terms of architecture I'd also rather see Legion's way of building things.
It would be pretty kickass to have a junktown/rome feel to it.

House would likely be, in time, a rebuilt Vegas.
I don't really care for Vegas and it's neon lights so it'd be pretty boring to me.

And NCR would just continue with the junktown feel to it.

wrong. Just wrong. Completely and utterly wrong about all of it. NCR would rebuild it like a previous America. Which you're from Sweden, not being racist, but unless you've been here you know nothing about the feel of our big cities.

Well Mr. House fixed up the strip which was remarkable in the sort and then Sam Weintraub I think it is fixed all of those lights. I expect it to be similar to ancient Greek architecture with a futuristic twist. But I hate construction so hell if I know

How dare you supports Caesar? *whips out ranger sequoia and points it at Beethoven*

Oh?
And how do we know that?

(And I've seen enough tv, games, pictures and movies to know the basics of what USAnia's "feel" is like.)

Kudos

apex, prepare to be lashed to a cross.

Ranger, I have no special interest in construction. Architecture, on the other hand, I find highly intriguing. gabriel, I like your answer. I can easily imagine the NCR leaving things more or less how they are unless a profit can be made. The Legion may appear to be ruthless in the day-to-day of the Wasteland but in the long term the benefits of a stable empire far outweigh those of a opportunistic and corrupt bureaucracy, at least in my opinion

The Legion takes savage tribals and turns them into intelligent warriors. Why would you want to support NCR, they are too big for their own good, and are a bunch of land grabbers. They don't care for the Mojave, they are just there to steal the Dam.


I wonder if anytime soon if somebody will build a school?

And what's wrong with this?

The theme of Fallout is that war never changes, and why? Because everyone is running around with a belief or cause that they feel is important to force onto others, or groups like the NCR are willing to annex an area if it proves profitable for their citizens. If every group in the Post-apocalyptic world was like Mr. House and only cared about it's immediate surrounding area, the world would be more profitable.

House speaks of rebuilding the human civilisation, no? I think the brightest future lies with siding with the machine-man.. If all else fails, he's going to find us a new planet to screw up.. House = win.

NCR = Not much change apart from [censored] all the water and power tbh?

Yes man = Haven't got a clue.

Legion = Plenty of bonfires and heads on sticks..

Well #1 cl can not win the battle of hoover dam.

#2 if they did most of the people there would die fighting them off and the women would be turned into six slaves.

CL is a poor depiction of Roman Legion, So I think they would torture women, and make new men run straight at people with guns.

The reception would not be a welcome one.

My hope for cl is that they let me go to AZ and show those scrubs what slaughter is all about. I d like to eradicate them, wipe them from the face of the earth.

Go house to house, mud hut to mud, and terminate them from all future fo. They are about 3000 years past their prime.

Ceaser would have been better off copying the viet cong. Then maybe they would stand a chance.

NCR will crush them at the dam and all up and down the river. I ve fought them both, and NCR is way way way way way better equiped overall than cl.

There will be so many dead cl they ll be able to build a new dam out of the bodies. I don t ever want to see them again.

You don't live the American Dream until you live here bro. You wouldn't understand.

Intelligent? They're not intelligent at all. If their commander dies they slit their own throats because they can't think for themselves. Your post is flawed.

ATTENTION: This is no longer an architecture post. This is now a legion really devoted fan post. Lmao, let them sulk in their flawed.

I think the biggest problem with Caesar's Legion is there's no option to call Caesar on the fact that the Roman Empire isn't remotely like the gigantic gang of slavers and pillagers he's assembled.

I'd have loved an option to have Caesar's Loyal Lieutenants persuade to assassinate Caesar, only to have THEM killed so you could crown someone better.

Maybe Caesar's son.

:)

Or would that have been too literal?

Doesn't matter the OP's discussion intent, these threads always turn into Legion vs. NCR posts. :laugh:

NCR die hard

Am I missing something or when did he say he wanted to replicate the exact roman empire?
I thought he only used parts of it for his own agenda as the concept of the roman legion was so foreign/alien to the wasteland.

Caesars Legion is more akin to the tribes that Julius Caesar conquered, but what I'm talking about is 100, 200 years after the fact. There will come a point when humanity will undertake the true reconstruction, IE not with old, blasted materials but new, Post-War cities. In all my play-throughs I have sided with the NCR because that system, however flawed, is one that I recognize and feel native to. I'm also taking into account my own personal comfort; obviously being a member of the Legion circa the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam would be no picnic. But as to long-term sustainability, however brutal, an empire ensures stability and the chance to truly rebuild. I'm sure the culture of the Legion (which by then would have become the Empire) would encompass more than bonfires and heads on sticks by that point.

Of course it's not as grand as the Ancient Empire. This is the broken remain of an old world struggling to rebuild, but the Legion has an ideology in play to rebuild it. That is the key; ideology. The majority of them may be mindless killers but the banner they fly represents the ideas of thinking men.

On another note I'm not one for voraciously taking sides in a video game and I'm open to any and all of these concepts because they all intrigue me :tongue:

As to the Legion not being able to win the battle at Hoover Dam, I think its fairly clear that whoever the Courier sides with is going to be winning the battle :woot:

Maybe, but as is stated ingame the Legion would/will fall apart in the following decades after Caesars death.. Human nature takes care of that.

Benevolent dictatorship under House has a brighter future. Nothing will change with the NCR and the Legion is doomed to failure.

"Caesar thinks he can change human nature. Most of the Legion is following Caesar, not Caesar's ideals. When he's gone it'll crumble." - Marcus

Since when did Marcus become a reliable source?
He's a recurring character, not a priest of the Fallout Bible.
For all we know he hasn't even been to Arizona yet.
That is his speculation only, my speculation is that when Caesar dies then Lanius will become the new Caesar, when he dies then Lucius or whoever he appoints will become the new Caesar and so on.
With the legionnaires being fanatically loyal to Caesar I don't see them falling apart due to one Caesar dying.