Caius Cosades was an idiot! : V

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:18 am

So the entire point of the Blades was apparently to guard the Dragonborn and help them defeat dragons and keep Alduin at bay. We can all agree on that, right?

Well, part of the carving on Alduin's Wall depicted Red Mountain, a central part of Morrowind's storyline. In fact, it is a symbol that means Morrowind's story was one of the signs of Alduin's coming. And you know who started the Nerevarine on his quest to screw up the liminal barrier? That's right, Caius Cosades and the Blades!

Were they sort of stuck between a rock and the hard place? Had they not discovered Alduin's Wall yet? Or were they just plain dumb right then?

What do you guys think?

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:12 am

Caius Cosades was the hero from Daggerfall in my opinion, but I doubt he was concsiously doing so, besides the point was to use the Nerevarine as a puppet, not for him to defeat Dagoth Ur

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:16 pm

They have failed!!! Again!!!!
There can be no excuses this time. I for one intend to tell them as much so in not so many words, after I clean up their mess again.

P.S No essential NPS please Beth :wink_smile:

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:53 am

Maybe they didn't realise it before it was too late?

In the case of Morrowind, Dagoth Ur resided beneath Red Mountain and he was becoming dangerously powerful. He had to be stopped.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:35 am

I don't know if the blades or even emperors know of their original purpose.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:25 pm

I don't know if the blades or even emperors know of their original purpose.

From the sound of things, the Blades do by the time Skyrim takes place.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:20 pm

From the sound of things, the Blades do by the time Skyrim takes place.

good point.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:39 am

Caius Cosades was the hero from Daggerfall in my opinion, but I doubt he was concsiously doing so, besides the point was to use the Nerevarine as a puppet, not for him to defeat Dagoth Ur

Actually, if I remember correctly, when Caius hands you the decoded letter it says explicitly that you were sent there to fulfill the prophecy of the Nerevarine. So they deliberately fulfilled one of the signs on Alduin's Wall.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:43 pm

Actually, if I remember correctly, when Caius hands you the decoded letter it says explicitly that you were sent there to fulfill the prophecy of the Nerevarine. So they deliberately fulfilled one of the signs on Alduin's Wall.

He was meant to fulfill it enough to have the dunmer under the empires thumb, no more no less

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:09 pm

Caius Cosades was the hero from Daggerfall in my opinion, but I doubt he was concsiously doing so, besides the point was to use the Nerevarine as a puppet, not for him to defeat Dagoth Ur

Cosades would have been an old shirtless guy already by the time of the Warp in the West.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:36 pm

Actually, if I remember correctly, when Caius hands you the decoded letter it says explicitly that you were sent there to fulfill the prophecy of the Nerevarine. So they deliberately fulfilled one of the signs on Alduin's Wall.

Not only that, they were tricked by dagonites in order to deactivate Red Tower. Even with the dragon fires out and White Gold temporarily off, if Red Tower (Red Mountain) remained active, Dagon wouldn't have went to war and such. However, Dagoth Ur was still a big threat, and had his own Numidium being created.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:03 pm

Cosades would have been an old shirtless guy already by the time of the Warp in the West.

Jauffre is old, but that doesn't stop him being one bad ass mutha [censored] who don't take no [censored] offa nobody

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:29 am

Not only that, they were tricked by dagonites in order to deactivate Red Tower. Even with the dragon fires out and White Gold temporarily off, if Red Tower (Red Mountain) remained active, Dagon wouldn't have went to war and such. However, Dagoth Ur was still a big threat, and had his own Numidium being created.

Hmm... Dagon was a major ally of Jagar Tharn in Arena and singlehandedly fulfilled the sign Oblivion openning... maybe he's ringing the dinner bell and saying "Hey Alduin, I'm done!" Yay, conspiracy theories!

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:53 am

Jauffre is old, but that doesn't stop him being one bad ass mutha [censored] who don't take no [censored] offa nobody

Jauffre is also, well, quite dead. And don't get me wrong I think Caius Cosades is awesome but it is far fetched that a 50+ year old intelligence operative who seems to have spent quite some time in eastern Tamriel would only just recently have returned from an epic orgy of pwnage way across the continent.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:52 pm

Jauffre is also, well, quite dead. And don't get me wrong I think Caius Cosades is awesome but it is far fetched that a 50+ year old intelligence operative who seems to have spent quite some time in eastern Tamriel would only just recently have returned from an epic orgy of pwnage way across the continent.

I always though Daggerfall had quite a time difference between Mw, but correct me if i'm wrong

Spoiler

When Caius dissappears, doesn't he mention going back to daggerfall?

And the warp in the west [censored] around with time, so maybe he was teleported to MW some years back :shrug:

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:06 pm

Jauffre is also, well, quite dead. And don't get me wrong I think Caius Cosades is awesome but it is far fetched that a 50+ year old intelligence operative who seems to have spent quite some time in eastern Tamriel would only just recently have returned from an epic orgy of pwnage way across the continent.

But all this would nicely explain his taste for the Skooma. Post traumatic stress disorder even gets the better of good men. Har har har.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:13 pm

I always though Daggerfall had quite a time difference between Mw, but correct me if i'm wrong

Spoiler

When Caius dissappears, doesn't he mention going back to daggerfall?

And the warp in the west [censored] around with time, so maybe he was teleported to MW some years back :shrug:

nah he says

Spoiler

i'm needed back in the imperial city, i've forgotten the reason why though

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:13 am

Jauffre is old, but that doesn't stop him being one bad ass mutha [censored] who don't take no [censored] offa nobody

Agreed. Jauffre was awesome.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:45 am

nah he says

Spoiler

i'm needed back in the imperial city, i've forgotten the reason why though

Well, the Daggerfall hero was a close personal friend of the emporer, so it's natural Uriel would want friends, according to rumor Cyrrodill is in uproar at the time of the Nereveraine

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:07 pm

It's all in prophecy. There's NO way around it.

Personally I don't know why they even try, since it's already proohecised that it will lead up to another thing. One way or another, the problems of the last few games would have had to solve themselves.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:17 am

to be fair it doesn't look like much of a mountain on the carving. the first one's a broken staff, the second one is pretty clearly a giant brass stompy robot, and the last one is obviously White-Gold with an Oblivion gate at the bottom, but Morrowind's place on the wall is really pretty vague unless you're looking at it with the gift of hindsight.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:16 am

Well, part of the carving on Alduin's Wall depicted Red Mountain, a central part of Morrowind's storyline. In fact, it is a symbol that means Morrowind's story was one of the signs of Alduin's coming. And you know who started the Nerevarine on his quest to screw up the liminal barrier? That's right, Caius Cosades and the Blades!

It would be better if Akulakhan rise in all glory of Blighter House and start his cusade against the Aedra?

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:39 am

It would be better if Akulakhan rise in all glory of Blighter House and start his cusade against the Aedra?

Sounds more fun than dragons.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:48 pm

blades svck I hate them, no really I do.

» Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:20 pm

I don't believe Caius or perhaps even the Blades knew about Red Mountain on Alduin's wall as it is very vague, I didn't even recognize it myself. As described in the GI magazine you apparently seek to locate the wall and try to understand it.. why couldn't someone just tell you instead? If the Blades already studied the wall and knew what was gonna happen you'd think someone would know about it or document it.
And even if they did know all about this, how could they relate to the Nerevarine Prophecies with what was depicted on the wall? I don't think they'd really see the connection between the Nerevarine Prophecies and Red Mountain like that.