5 California students sent home for wearing Red/White/Blue

Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:25 pm

It wasn't just red white and blue colors. It was the american flag on their clothing.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:44 pm

And I agree with you on that part of it too, I don't really care, at all, who wears what, no matter what day of the year it is.
But some people do. A lot of people do. Not me, or you, but enough that rules have to be enforced to keep the peace regarding certain peoples beliefs and feelings.

True, and I realize that, my point is that people shouldn't care or get upset over it, it doesn't help matters in any way, only makes things worse.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:58 am

I fail to see how wearing american flag clothing is disrespectful to a a war that didn't inolve teh US, but then I fail to see why they should be forced to support with the Mexican celebrations anyway.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:55 pm

I fail to see how wearing american flag clothing is disrespectful to a a war that didn't inolve teh US, but then I fail to see why they should be forced to support with the Mexican celebrations anyway.

Hrmm...someone should wear the French flag next year and see what happens :P . I am a bad person.

Yeah but these ones had american motifs and stars on them. The boys were obviously stirring up trouble or wanted to be idiots, but its all rather passive. Unless they were singing bruce springsteen "born in the usa" at the other students then i would have taken serious action.

Funny thing is, "born in the usa" is actually not a pro-usa song. But yes, they were dike heads, but I still don't like the response.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:24 am

True, and I realize that, my point is that people shouldn't care or get upset over it, it doesn't help matters in any way, only makes things worse.

Really, the issue is much simpler if you ignore the whole issue of flags or politics. A group of students did something to cause trouble/get attention, and the school whacked them in the back of the head with a disciplinary rolled-up newspaper. That's about the sum of it, subtler cultural issues just complicate the whole matter.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:53 pm

It wasn't just red white and blue colors. It was the american flag on their clothing.


In which case it's completely ridiculous because the day is to do with a war between Mexico and FRANCE. On top of everything else, the war was 150 years ago, and the US wasn't involved. Total overreaction. It's like me going to Waterloo wearing St. Georges cross on my shirt, do you think ANYBODY would care?

If the students set out to cause offence, then it's different. Even if they're insulting people in some completely round about way.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:12 am

In which case it's completely ridiculous because the day is to do with a war between Mexico and FRANCE. Not the US.

Not to, erm, pervade a stereotype or anything, but how many Americans know what colour the French flag is anyway? I mean, I have only a vague idea of the flags of Europe myself...
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:28 am

In which case it's completely ridiculous because the day is to do with a war between Mexico and FRANCE. Not the US.

To you and I, yes. To others, no. If someone wore a France shirt during that day, that's just a sign of being a real ass.

Not to, erm, pervade a stereotype or anything, but how many Americans know what colour the French flag is anyway? I mean, I have only a vague idea of the flags of Europe myself...

Quite a lot actually, it's just three solid rectangular blocks with red, white and blue going right to left.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:32 am

Surprised this hasn't turned political.....

That's the first thing I want to start ranting about. I won't, though, I'm no apocalyptic thread closer. :P

Pretty stupid, though. Can't be surprised, stories likes this are all too common.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:51 pm

Quite a lot actually, it's just three solid rectangular blocks with red, white and blue going right to left.

Well yes, I wasn't asking you to prove yorself :P i would just be surprised if anybody actually made that connection.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:54 am

Why should the U.S. flag offend people wanting to live in the U.S.?
It is nice that the U.S. allows people to celebrate their cultural heritage from other countires.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:30 pm

Why do we celebrate a battle that an old ally lost in against a long time, for lack of a better term, enemy? I could see if the school was in French Canada, but..Mexico beating France and they wear the US colors?

What I'm saying is, these kids are probably idiots just trying to make people laugh, and judging from the reaction, not many did. I'm hoping assuming they have a few lumps on their head by now over this. :lol:
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:10 pm

Possible reason there is such tension at the moment is because of the recent illegal immigration law enacted in Arizona. Its causing a lot of friction between its supporters and detractors nationwide and the school was most likely afraid that it would spill over there. I don't agree with them - I think the basic principles of free speech shouldn't be impinged upon unless there is a clear and present danger to them (yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater). Still, its a school and minors don't have full rights anyway.

Sorry to bring up political tones in both my posts in this thread - just trying to explain possible reasons for the school admin's concern over this.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:59 pm

I once went to school with blue pants and a blue and yellow sweater, with a glaringly obvious Swedish flag and Sweden neatly printed next to it and on the back, on December 5th as well as in the capital city on December 6th, the Finnish Independence day. No one seemed to have any problems with it. Some even asked where they could buy one for themselves. On Independence day. So to me, it seems the school was overreacting and the students were being way oversensitive. People need to be less sensitive in general these days.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:07 am

Well yes, I wasn't asking you to prove yorself :P i would just be surprised if anybody actually made that connection.

I got the connection, just...blah
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:04 am

I once went to school with blue pants and a blue and yellow sweater, with a glaringly obvious Swedish flag and Sweden neatly printed next to it and on the back, on December 5th as well as in the capital city on December 6th, the Finnish Independence day. No one seemed to have any problems with it. Some even asked where they could buy one for themselves. On Independence day. So to me, it seems the school was overreacting and the students were being way oversensitive. People need to be less sensitive in general these days.

:lmao:
And I agree.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:17 pm

While this thread is doing a good job of behaving itself there are a few people tip toeing close to the politics line - nothing bad or ill intentioned, but let's just make sure we're all careful. :)

Why do we celebrate a battle that an old ally lost in against a long time, for lack of a better term, enemy? I could see if the school was in French Canada, but..Mexico beating France and they wear the US colors?

Cinco de Mayo, at least celebrated in the US, is really a cultural holiday rather than a remembrance of a historic battle. In fact in some parts of the US it's more a celebration of Latin American cultural than specifically Mexican culture.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:57 pm

I want to see the ACLU get involved in this one.
It is an often unkown and unenforced US law that the flag not be worn as clothing, touch the ground, be displayed at night without illumination, fly in inclement weather, or be used as curtains. Patriotism is generally welcomed.
So did these boys break a law? Yes, an obscure one.
Did these boys meet the school dress code, aside from the bandana? Yes, although the flag and bandana broke flag respect laws. The bandana broke school law and was removed.
Were these boys trying to make a political statement, and expressing freedom of speech?
Yes they were.
Could it have been offensive to others of hispanic origin at the school?
Yes, considering the recent Arizona rulings.
Was the vice principal correct in sending them home?
No, they broke no school dress code law. Now, the government could prosecute them for breaking federal law, but there's a slim chance of getting a jury to convict them.


This is true, but it applies to wearing the flag, not wearing clothing that depicts the flag. Also in the US burning the flag as a form of protest is considered free speech :shrug:

Yes, I knew that too.
My son's boy scout troop has ex military in them, every so often a collection of worn flags must be destroyed in a very solemn ceremony. I have witnessed it twice, and seen grown ex marines go misty eyed.


It's not jus ex-marine who shed tears for the flag :cold:

When I lived in California swim trunks were considered every day walking around clothing, so someone wearing them to school is not unususal. In my highschool a student got in trouble for wearing a sant claus hat the last day before our winter/christmas break. (The school considered it to be gang-related) Being of Mexican decent myself (when I was a kid "hispanic" was seen as derogatory) I see nothing wrong with anyone wearing thier countries flag, at any time during any holiday. I've been to many 4th of July celebrations where some showed up with Mexican flags (the occasinal Panamanian or Puerto Rican flags as well) prominently displayed in/on their cars, listening to mexican music and wearing clothes depicting various aspects of thier respective culture. I'm not offended by it, I'm actually proud to live somewhere where they can feel free to show thier pride in thier native lands.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:49 am

Somehow I feel like there is something missing

Like what the complaints actually were and who made them and why

I think that would shed some light on the actions of the school

At the same time (I believe dogsbody already commented on this a little) but if a school feels that apparel can disrupt education and or create a dangerous environment then they can send those kids home regardless of dresscode policy.

It seems they did have some reason to suspect that a fight could break out for the clothing that they were wearing.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:05 pm

I can't help but feel like the kids intentionally wore ridiculous clothing (a headband, really?).

That said, I don't condone the school's actions whatsoever. It's just incredibly stupid and should not have been done. Hopefully there's a change in management.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:13 am

Well that really disgusts me. If you live in america you can support it, Hispanics that are upset of that have no reason to be upset and should get over themselves as they live in America not mexico i dont even see how that could be upseting.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:01 am

That's exactly my point. I guess the guy who wore the opposing teams jersey at a party for the other team to watch the superbowl, I'm sure that was just coincidence. No, the guy was trying to stir up trouble, and get a few laughs and/or metal doors in the face.
Just like these kids who wore american flag motifs/colored clothing. They didn't just do it by coincidence, don't be so daft.
Has this country really gotten so blinded by the phrase and idea of "freedom of speech" that we can't tell an obvious case of a few teens going against the grain to get laughs and offend people at the same time from something being "wrong"?
They got what they deserved.


How is that what they deserved? Sure they were there to cause trouble it's still funny to do that whether they did it on purpose or accident I love it when people are [censored]s and the school really shouldn't be sending the kids home who cares other than those Mexicans who're practically always complaining about saying the pledge of allegiance in school to America (in America who'd have thought I could've sworn we pledged allegiance to Mexico here dammit), and being taught american history in america (*gasp* the blasphemy) so this is hardly anything new to the American school system. Although I do agree that if it was disrupting the students education but how do clothes bother peoples educational abilities the fact that those cholo's pants are down to their knees is much more distracting than someone just being an ass
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:57 am

I don't think I'm understanding this. They were sent home because they were wearing red, white, and blue at the same?

That makes no sense to my brain.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:13 pm

they just make an excuse to drink tequila and/or wear sombreros.



You just made it into my sig, assuming you don't have any objections on it that is :P
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:14 am

How is that what they deserved? Sure they were there to cause trouble it's still funny to do that whether they did it on purpose or accident I love it when people are [censored]s and the school really shouldn't be sending the kids home who cares other than those Mexicans who're practically always complaining about saying the pledge of allegiance in school to America (in America who'd have thought I could've sworn we pledged allegiance to Mexico here dammit), and being taught american history in america (*gasp* the blasphemy) so this is hardly anything new to the American school system. Although I do agree that if it was disrupting the students education but how do clothes bother peoples educational abilities the fact that those cholo's pants are down to their knees is much more distracting than someone just being an ass


Punctuation FTW!!
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