5 California students sent home for wearing Red/White/Blue

Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:51 am

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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:33 am

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Eileen Müller
 
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:27 am

Really, the issue is much simpler if you ignore the whole issue of flags or politics. A group of students did something to cause trouble/get attention, and the school whacked them in the back of the head with a disciplinary rolled-up newspaper. That's about the sum of it, subtler cultural issues just complicate the whole matter.

I don't really care what the school does, I just thing it was ridiculous to do anything at all. The only way to incicte trouble is if someone bites and lets you get to them, if people just don't do that then there's no trouble to be had.
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Britney Lopez
 
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:43 am

Do schools in America wear uniform?
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Cheville Thompson
 
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:50 am

Do schools in America wear uniform?

some but most only have a dress code
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Ownie Zuliana
 
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:36 am

Personally, I think the school was being completely ridiculous. It shouldn't be considered offensive for an American citizen to wear clothing depicting the flag within America, and I highly doubt that wearing such shirts went beyond the bounds set by the case of Tinker v. Des moines.


Do schools in America wear uniform?


Depends on the school district. There is no national requirement, and the matter is left up to state governments (which in turn created school districts to handle that kind of stuff).
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:31 am

It's a sad day when one can't wear clothing with their nation's flag on it to school. If some administrators were offended by the US flag, perhaps they should immigrate, and teach/administrate, to a country that doesn't fly the US flag. Then they wouldn't be offended. There's plenty of countries to choose from. Well over a hundred in fact.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:42 am

I think it's pretty obvious that people aren't offended by the American flag, and that is not the problem here. The problem was the intention. People are just up in arms about it because it happened to involve the American flag.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:39 am

I think it's pretty obvious that people aren't offended by the American flag, and that is not the problem here. The problem was the intention. People are just up in arms about it because it happened to involve the American flag.


True.

Some kids around here got suspended for wearing the Mexican flag to school the other day. It wasn't because of the flag, it was because of their "thuggish" attitudes and refusal to listen to their superiors.

Everybody was freaking out that the schools were being racist. :rolleyes:


When you refuse to go to class, directly to the Principal, your just gonna be suspended. No questions asked, and Race or Nationality has nothing to do with it.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:09 am

How horrible. Their country flag was on their clothing.

Seriously, what's next.
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Dale Johnson
 
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:24 pm

According to the law, no they shouldn't've been sent home. However those kids were being idiots and just trying to cause controversy.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:09 pm

It's a sad day when one can't wear clothing with their nation's flag on it to school. If some administrators were offended by the US flag, perhaps they should immigrate, and teach/administrate, to a country that doesn't fly the US flag. Then they wouldn't be offended. There's plenty of countries to choose from. Well over a hundred in fact.

Clearly you don't understand the situation and clearly you don't understand that it was not patriotism that was being punished

I think it's pretty obvious that people aren't offended by the American flag, and that is not the problem here. The problem was the intention. People are just up in arms about it because it happened to involve the American flag.

It's sad that people are so blind and quick to jump to conclusions about the situation (such as the post above)

I don't think this was about patriotism at all nor do I believe it to necessarily be about free speech. On a radio show that I was listening to it was explained that a political message was being expressed by these boys (I won't go into detail because of the rules) so these boys are not just innocently being patriotic.

It pains me to see that they would hide behind the flag and a guise of patriotism
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:15 pm

According to the law, no they shouldn't've been sent home. However those kids were being idiots and just trying to cause controversy.

And have succeeded due to people deliberately misunderstanding the situation.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:51 pm

How horrible. Their country flag was on their clothing.

Seriously, what's next.

Again, you're missing the point, and reducing the issue down to such a simple and biased statement that no one can even disagree with you.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:24 pm

Again, you're missing the point, and reducing the issue down to such a simple and biased statement that no one can even disagree with you.

Yes.
I could see how the students may have been trying to cause problems.
But the school went a bit too far by sending them home.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:04 pm

Its California, students wear swim trunks to school all the time. There is nothing wrong with wearing something like that to school. Its a ridiculous decision that the school made, period.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:01 pm

I think it's pretty obvious that people aren't offended by the American flag, and that is not the problem here. The problem was the intention. People are just up in arms about it because it happened to involve the American flag.

The intent being.... what? Cinco de Mayo is mostly an American holiday anyway, it is seldom celebrated in Mexico, outside of Puebla. More white Americans celebrate it than Latino Mexicans. :shrug:

Was it in poor taste? Maybe.

Was it offensive? Not to anyone with any brains.

These Latino kids, their families immigrated to the US to start a better life, just like my family did from Switzerland. If the administration had been smart, they would have turned this into a lesson on the multi-ethnic diversity of the nation. Mexican and American flags displayed side by side, reflecting the ethnic mix of the school.

Instead, they sent kids home for wearing an image of a flag that probably is probably displayed in every classroom in that school. It was silly, and the wrong thing to do.

Once again, I can't stress how much Cinco de Mayo is NOT a big holiday in the majority of Mexico.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:22 pm

If they were against policy, then they should have. If not, then it's a dumb thing to do to send them home.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:34 am

It's sad that people are so blind and quick to jump to conclusions about the situation (such as the post above)


Right, the one day that the students show up with American flags on their clothes is Cinco de Mayo at a school where that event is seriously important? Why do you think they were wearing American colors if not to stir trouble?
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:30 pm

Yes.
I could see how the students may have been trying to cause problems.
But the school went a bit too far by sending them home.

Let's see the administration had received several complaints

Comments had already been made in classrooms to these boys

Something could have happened, something violent. If it were my high school those boys would have gotten the crap beat out of them. When the administration receives complaints and a situation could become volatile then the administration has the right to do what they feel is necessary to diffuse the situation.

If the administration did nothing and those boys should happen to have something happen to them then we'd be having the conversation of why didn't the administration do anything when complaints were made. Either way the administration was screwed no matter what they did.

Again the misunderstandings of the situations have boiled down to what people believe should be free speech and or patriotism when it simply is not the case.

Right, the one day that the students show up with American flags on their clothes is Cinco de Mayo at a school where that event is seriously important? Why do you think they were wearing American colors if not to stir trouble?


That's what I'm advocating. That they were there to stir trouble

I was referring to maxpower's post not iGuess
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:55 am

You mean the one day that they got sent home for wearing them. We have no Idea how much they wear those cloths to school.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:21 am

I don't think this was about patriotism at all nor do I believe it to necessarily be about free speech. On a radio show that I was listening to it was explained that a political message was being expressed by these boys (I won't go into detail because of the rules) so these boys are not just innocently being patriotic.

I will refer to you to the case of Tinker v. Des moines, where the supreme court protected students freedom of speech rights on school grounds. In that case, two children wore black arm bands in protest of the Vietnam war, a clearly political message. The students who wore clothing with American flags depicted are protected under this decision. They can use their clothing to send a political message if they want to, so long as it's not a violation of uniform policy. Which except for the bandanna it wasn't.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:33 am

Let's see the administration had received several complaints

Comments had already been made in classrooms to these boys

Something could have happened, something violent. If it were my high school those boys would have gotten the crap beat out of them. When the administration receives complaints and a situation could become volatile then the administration has the right to do what they feel is necessary to diffuse the situation.

If the administration did nothing and those boys should happen to have something happen to them then we'd be having the conversation of why didn't the administration do anything when complaints were made. Either way the administration was screwed no matter what they did.

Again the misunderstandings of the situations have boiled down to what people believe should be free speech and or patriotism when it simply is not the case.



That's what I'm advocating. That they were there to stir trouble

So the kids wearing US flags should be sent home, and not the ones planning violence? Once again, a bad decision.

Send home the real trouble makers, the ones talking violent action, and let the vast majority of Latino students who took no offense, and the students who did not break any rules by wearing US flag clothing, go about their way.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:24 pm

Let's face it...the human race is just straight up doomed.
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Post » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:39 am

I will refer to you to the case of Tinker v. Des moines, where the supreme court protected students freedom of speech rights on school grounds. In that case, two children wore black arm bands in protest of the Vietnam war, a clearly political message. The students who wore clothing with American flags depicted are protected under this decision. They can use their clothing to send a political message if they want to, so long as it's not a violation of uniform policy. Which except for the bandanna it wasn't.

Yes they are well within their right to express freedom of speech

HOWEVER,

If a political message or article of clothing, etc. were to cause a disruption in instruction or cause a hostile environment, which again there was several complaints made about these boys, the school has a right to supersede freedom of speech to keep a safe environment

Hence there is a reason you cannot wear gang colors and claim freedom of speech because it can cause hostility in the school environment

So the kids wearing US flags should be sent home, and not the ones planning violence? Once again, a bad decision.

Send home the real trouble makers, the ones talking violent action, and let the vast majority of Latino students who took no offense, and the students who did not break any rules by wearing US flag clothing, go about their way.


At their school I have no idea what the students would do so I don't know if they were planning violence or not. So don't try to put words in my mouth or claim that they were planning violence when you have no idea if that was the situation! Again you completely miss the point that these boys were making a political statement of which was offensive to the Latino community in that school. These boys are creating a potentially hostile environment for themselves and the other students of the school. Hence in this situation they were being hostile to the Latino community and thus should be sent home
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