A call for a 6 month delay : V - Skyrim

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:42 am

Back in Fallout 3 style? TES games NEVER used Fallout 3 style for it's attribute system. How can they go back to it?

Would you rather we go back to Oblivion's flawed system (Not the attributes but the way they leveled), a Fallout 3 type attribute system or what Skyrim currently has. It's a tough poison to choose and Beth choose the double edge sword option, it gets rid of the past problems but lowers the amount of RPG elements and flexibility with different characters at the beginning. I think it will work out but it's too early to tell.

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:51 am

NO DELAY STOP BEING SUCH A WHINNER YOU HAVEN;T PLAYED THE GAME YOU DONT NO IF ITS GOING TO BE GOOD OR NOT. :swear:

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:24 pm

It's not even been a year since they announced it.

He was referring to its dev time.

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:47 am

You do realize that the "mainstream audience" isn't on the forums, right? The people who are here are mostly the cult fanbase.

It certainly does not seem that way.

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:07 am

The OP should put up a poll...

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:36 pm

You're kidding yourself if you think another 6 months of pure feature addition would put even one dent into the perceived dissatisfaction around here.

well said ...
bethesda needs to put bak into the game everything that was removed from TES III
give us the freedom and items we paid for and expect to recive (including the Telvani)

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:02 am

NO DELAY STOP BEING SUCH A WHINNER YOU HAVEN;T PLAYED THE GAME YOU DONT NO IF ITS GOING TO BE GOOD OR NOT. :swear:

Sorry, but the whiner here is you. His post was a well built critic, and there certainly are very legitimate reasons to worry about such issues. I personaly believe it to be a very reasonable proposition.

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:36 am

dude, just leave...

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:09 pm

well said ...
bethesda needs to put bak into the game everything that was removed from TES III
give us the freedom and items we paid for and expect to recive (including the Telvani)

Not sure if serious

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:38 pm

I call for a 6 year delay. That way they can take all the complaints on this board and make the perfect version of the game tailored to each specific gamer. DO IT BETHESDA!!!

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:09 am

My friends, enlighten yourselves with some reading.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnpleasableFanbase
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokenBase
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanDumb
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PanderingToTheBase

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:47 pm

I call for a 6 year delay. That way they can take all the complaints on this board and make the perfect version of the game tailored to each specific gamer. DO IT BETHESDA!!!

They'll find a way to complain even if it was delayed for 15 years.

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:40 pm

Would you rather we go back to Oblivion's flawed system (Not the attributes but the way they leveled), a Fallout 3 type attribute system or what Skyrim currently has. It's a tough poison to choose and Beth choose the double edge sword option, it gets rid of the past problems but lowers the amount of RPG elements and flexibility with different characters at the beginning. I think it will work out but it's too early to tell.

Actually, Skyrim looks to me like a "Oblivion fixed" system. What they did corresponds to what mods I used but cleaner. Yes, removing the attributes fixes and improves the system. No, removing something is NOT an automatic bad move.

Putting Fallout 3 like system would go contrary to what I think is the TES spirit (not that it would make it a bad game either) and we don't need every game using the exact same system anyway. Variety is good.

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:21 pm

My friends, enlighten yourselves with some reading.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnpleasableFanbase
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokenBase
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanDumb
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PanderingToTheBase

Perfect quote...""I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:55 am

Werecreatures+ useful mounts (instead of that abomination we have now)+ FULL 1st person POV (without forced 3rd person view)

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:01 pm

I dont think they could delay it even if they wanted to, sure they could delay the PC version but when you state a release date for console games, you are locked in! I would think that before Oblivion was released ideas and features were thrown around that just couldnt be put in at such a late stage, but they were kept in mind for TES 5, the planning, ideas and design probably happened more than 3 years ago...

... Skyrim is a high profile game that must appeal to the masses, this is business... not catering to the dedicated few, if anything funder mentally didnt work and disrupted the enjoyment of the game it would be removed.

Its not broken just different, get used to it

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:31 am

(instead of that abomination we have now)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_horse

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:34 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_horse

Don't bother. Once people have decided it's too fat, they're going to stick with it.

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:28 am

The things you mentioned I'm not too worried about and six months is a rather long time to fix minute features like that IMO. Plus I'm not waiting another six months :banghead:

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:18 pm

A lot of these mistakes can easily be fixed by modders, but it's disappointing that they assigned a release date that they're keen to stick to, because now they're rushing to get things finished. Which means we get it sooner, but could still compromise its integrity (think Kotor 2!).

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:26 am

Sorry, but the whiner here is you. His post was a well built critic, and there certainly are very legitimate reasons to worry about such issues. I personaly believe it to be a very reasonable proposition.

Its reasonable to demand a 6 mounth delay of a game because he disagrees with a few design changes? :confused:
I happen to like most design decissions ive seen so far and yes he is complaining about design deccissions which would not be affected be his preposed delay, the fact is this is what the dev team wants no amount of a delay will change that.

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:50 am

Actually, Skyrim looks to me like a "Oblivion fixed" system. What they did corresponds to what mods I used but cleaner. Yes, removing the attributes fixes and improves the system. No, removing something is NOT an automatic bad move.

Putting Fallout 3 like system would go contrary to what I think is the TES spirit (not that it would make it a bad game either) and we don't need every game using the exact same system anyway. Variety is good.

I actually like what being done with the attributes in Skyrim I just wished we still had them in the game. It's not a big deal if they aren't in but if we go with what the OP wants and had a 6 month wait then Attributes would be something I wouldn't mind getting put back in, although the odds of that happening are non existent.

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:59 am

Don't bother. Once people have decided it's too fat, they're going to stick with it.

And I don't get that... Do people really know nothing about horses?

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:43 am

Its reasonable to demand a 6 mounth delay of a game because he disagrees with a few design changes? :confused:

Not at all. Quite absurd actually.

» Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:45 pm

And why 6 months? They could do more in 12. Point being they could never add everything and please everyone.

12? Why not 24, or 36!? Oh hell, just delay it till it has everything in every video game ever and everything that everyone could ever think of to have. We'll call it Elder Scrolls Infinity.