So i was just re playing oblivion's main quest, and i started listening to Cameron's little speech around paradise. It got me thinking "what would have happened if he won?" I mean would dagon have burned down the world and gained his status as the leaper demon king? Would cameron have gotten his paradise? Would it have furthered the goals of the thalamor? That last one is the one that i wondered the most about, I mean the world would still have been destroyed, i think, so would their souls have been free to...do whatever it is they want them to do? (become some kind of lesser god or something i guess)

I think Akatosh/Auriel/Alduin would've stepped in regardless.

If Dagon became the Leaper Demon again, then Alduin couldn't end and recreate the world, because bits and pieces of the old world would still be lying around, and that just wouldn't be proper.

And if somehow the Time Dragon was prevented from coming to Nirn to put a stop to things, then I think things would go very badly, very quickly.

In my mind, Nirn is like a bottle of milk. You've got to change it every couple of days kalpas, because if you don't, it starts to smell funny.

I think Dagon was basically acting as Alduin's punk, pretty much just doing as he had been bid to at the end of the last Kalpa. If Akatosh hadn't stepped in (as he was wont to do, being the defender of the empire) then Dagon would have just removed all the leftover bits. This could have been fine (turns out it's just the colors white and gold that were still left over) or very bad (the reason Dagon loves fire: complex organic chemistry is what he left behind) or somewhere in between (he needed to destroy the axis provinces of Tamriel - Skyrim, Cyrodiil, Valenwood, and Elswyr).

The Thalamor didn't want Camoran to actually succeed (they'd played this game before, and knew a 'ine would step in), because that would be a victory for Alduin, whereas they want Auri-El to succeed. If Dagon had succeeded, then Alduin would have just eaten the world (like always) followed by Lorkhan re-creating the world (as always) and so on and so forth. It was the defeat of Dagon that bought the Dominion precious centuries on a world without a divinely-empowered human dynasty.

So the end result would have been the same if dagon won as if he didn't, aludin devours the world lorkhan remakes it. And So dagon's goal was just to nab the last remnents of the last kalpa he squirled away, and after that he would have been like "see ya chumps" and lept away?

Not quite. Yes on Dagon, but no on Alduin & Lorkhan. The events of Oblivion really shook things up. The end of the Septim Dynasty was a big deal, that could have huge, far-reaching consequences.

well ya if you consider the god of man to be forgotten, and end to a divine empire, and the unbinding of aludiun to his contract with allessia to be a big deal lol, anyway i'm glad somebody answered my question about dagon

you would think the other daedric princes would do something to stop mehrunes, i mean jyggallag got too powerful so other princes ganged up on him and turned him into sheogorath, so if mehrunes tried to conquer nirn wouldn't the other princes step in to tear him up? i mean he isn't even the most powerful daedric prince, 2 mortals turned a tiny bit godly kicked his ass once.

Mehrunes isn't threatening the other Daedric Realms, and (most, with the exception of a few) couldn't give a rats patootie about Nirn other than it being one big play ground to pass their time in.

Plus, Mehrunes plot is good for a lot of other princes. Take Molag Bal, for example: if Dagon invades the Mundus, then a bunch of mortals are going to go to extreme lengths to defend themselves, and thus become more monstrous, which is amusing to Molag Bal.

Amusing to a lot of princes I'd imagine. A lot of them would like to observe anything that would be a break in the monotony.

Well, we can't really say whether Dagon invades other Daedric Realms. If he does we have no way of knowing one way or the other, it's not like the daedra are gonna tell us about it.

Aye, well how about as far as we know he's not.

But what if in truth its like wine? And the elves just aren't fans of wine, and Alduin just keeps destroying it because he hopes that eventually it'll be something he likes, which isn't wine.

The longer it exists, the stronger its potency-

Sounds about right.

Though, alcohol needs to be filtered to remove impurities, so perhaps a little minor cleanup would be better for Nirn, rather than complete dustruction and re-creation.

Ehlnofey are yeast. Lorkhan is trying to make a fine vintage, Auriel is trying to FERMENT THE WORLD! by spreading the yeast.

I think y'all have basically unlocked tes, my mind is blown