In the final stage of the game, where you're running through Camoran's paradise on your way to kill him, he starts talking to you about how you're following some kind of delusional cause; that Tamriel is, in fact, supposed to be a plane of Oblivion, and you're just perpetuating a flaw in the natural order of things by defending it from Mehrunes Dagon.

The thing is, though, I don't have a very good understanding of the TES world's history. I know that Lorkhan, also known as Shor, is a trickster god who is somehow responsible for creating the world, but... my definite knowledge ends there. Creation myths seem to conflict a bit after that.

Can someone explain in layman's terms how Tamriel came to be and how Camoran's perspective plays into that?

ask a mod for this to be moved into the lore section you'll get more answers there

-Star

This already exists in the Lore section.

Camoran's a whackjob. Either that or the writer's didn't bother to read their own lore, which doesn't seem unlikely when thinking about TES IV in general. :meh:
I don't think he attributed a single Oblivion realm to the appropriate prince.

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=872644is a good discusion.

The short haul is that everything we know about history comes from the Aedra. They Aedra claim they made Mundus with Lorkhan and saw that it wasn't what he had promised. So they quit and they stuck Lorkhans heart in Nirn to keep it in existence or imprison Lorkhan.

Mankar claims that these Aedra were Lorkhans lieutenants who rebelled against him and falsified the history. As proof he offers the simple fact that they couldn't remove Lorkhan from their myths nor could they destroy Lorkhan's heart because it was the heart of the World, Lorkhans world, the one they were bound too.



I can't even do that without having to look it up. Being able to do so would qualify you as a wackjob.

It wasn't Mankars fault though and everything else he says is steady. The excuse was that they mistook the draft for the final version, something along those lines.

Just like how Mankar claims the Aedra fabricated history, that immediately puts Dagon's take on things as suspect as well. It's a double-edged sword. And until then, even the mortals who have the mental capacity to divine the truth are rather fond of being alive, so they would by nature resist Dagon. Judging on the reaction of Haskill and Dyus in that little RP "interview" with them, I get the gist that most of the other Daedric princes think Dagon's full of crap anyway (though not to the degree of Malacath ).

if tamriel was a plane of oblivion, it would have it's own lord, not a self-proclaimed line of emperors. and if it was a plane of oblivion, why would dagon be moving in on it? he has his own. i guess that's why he's the only lord without a shrine and all the other lords hate him.

*i am mehrunes dagon, fear me! :intergalactic: *peryite comes along: bad, mehrunes! got to your realm! :slap:

Camoran argues that Lorkhan is the prince.

Not exactly - he claims that Lorkhan was the prince. Dagon is there to restore things as they should be, by turning Nirn back into an Oblivion realm controled by a daedra price. Who would be Dagon rather than Lorkhan. Dagon already had his own realm, but adding Nirn to it is a deserved reward for selflessly accomplishing the right thing :angel:

There's nothing in his discourse about restoring Lorkhan as the ruler. He sort of had forfeited his rights by letting his underlings kick him out...

I might be wrong, but that's how I have understood Mankar's ideas.

I can name the appropriate princes to the realms that he mentioned. Does that mean I'm a wackjob?

I think it means you've read a book or two.
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So the official excuse boils down to "We have no quality control department." Sadly believable given the end result.
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