I think that a lot of people likrd the create factor. The ability to design your player, choose their stuff and mod or build your house etc. Which kinda agrees with how Minecraft is so popular.

It's the same reason that I love Tropico so much.

And your wood chairs have been exposed to the elements without painting the last 200 years?

Chernobyl is a terrible example because it was a nuclear leak, and not an nuclear war with many thousands upon thousands of bombs being dropped, nuclear-winter, global climate change, mass nuclear firestorms from all the bomb explosions. etc. etc.

modern buildings aren't made out of stone. One you no longer could control the temperature and humidity wood building would grow mold, rot, and collaspe. Once the windows were broken out and the roofs started leaking the water would accelerate this process. With anything metal, if it isn't regularly painted, it will immediately begin rusting.

You are correct in the sense stuff built of brick and mortar would survive, but we don't build that way anymore.

that is all theory. We really don't know what a large scale exchange of nukes would do. Chernobyl is a good example of just how resilient and adaptive plants and animals are.

If metal is not protected with paint I can guarantee you it will rust. All metals oxidize. It's pretty basic stuff. And the only reason your folks have 200 year old chairs are precisely because they are cared for in a climate controlled environment. Put one of those chairs outside in the environment unprotected for 12 months and come back and see what your chair looks like. Even pressure treated wood like what's used for decks will begin to decay in a couple decades if not regularly stained or painted to protect it.

Fallout isn't based on real world science, but 1950's atomic paranoia and b-movie SCIENCE!

We know exactly what would happen in Fallout, because we know what its based on, and what has been said in-game.

See? THIS is what is wrong with FO4. Fallout should never be mistaken for a shooter. The fact that people call it one speaks volumes.

most do it as flame bait. It's pretty obvious to even the dulest of gamers this isn't simply an open world version of doom where your avatar stays the same but every so often you find a new more powerful weapon to take on the new more powerful monster.

Fallout 4 is a good Shooter and a mid-class RPG Game. Flame bait or not its the Truth.

Fallout isn't a shooter, nothing but flame bait to say it is. Doom, half-life, fear.........those are shooters. If you don't get it, you probably never will. Having FPS elements is a far cry from being a shooter

I never used so many Bullets in a Game like in Fallout4. Ofcourse it was more in CoD, but Doom and Half Life? Never ever lol. Iam a Mass Murder in this Game. I killed so many Raiders i already feel sorry for them. I just shoot them in the Legs and still i have really Problems with that. I wish i could just disarming them with shooting in the Leg but i have to kill them all.

Back on topic guys.

Did you really just compare fabricated buildings to the pyramids?

Aside from the obvious difference in construction materials, I'd point to the completely different destructive aspects around them: rainfall and general climate. Nature - that is foliage - will quickly destroy and take over buildings (absent from your example):

http://www.earthporm.com/21-photos-nature-winning-battle-civilization/

http://home.bt.com/pictures/world-news/nature-takes-over-at-chernobyl-ghost-town-41363896344266

http://www.boredpanda.com/nature-reclaiming-civilization/

http://www.viralnova.com/reclaimed-by-nature/


This example nicely how nature reclaims more humble constructs than the pyramids:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tf7xmai9mgff7yj/12552701_10208375542929063_7231873829929022783_n.jpg?dl=0


Yes, there are surviving ruins from ancient times, some in better states than others, and in all instances they've not had to withstand a nuclear war and have fared better or worse according to how rainfall/nature has then been able to encroach.


In the Commonwealth area, 200 years would completely consume manmade structures.


Article:

http://discovermagazine.com/2005/feb/earth-without-people



A book worth reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Without_Us

As scary as it is, it is also fascinating to learn about these things, especially since last year in my last quarter at my university I took a class specifically about weapons of mass destruction (included bio, chemical, etc., but the main focus was on nuclear). My professor even had an optional trip to one of the oldest uranium (or plutonium?) reactors in the state, but I couldn't go due to timing and money. We also watched a documentary about Hanford. Then, after graduating, there were two documentaries on PBS/KCTS9 that I watched that were very interesting due to being more informed by my class: One was about the Fukushima incident, the other was about uranium and this guy visited places including Chernobyl, keeping track of the rads he was exposed to, even when wearing protective gear.

Anyway, sorry if I went off track a bit. Speaking of the Glowing Sea and radiation, of course it is fiction/fantasy, but then I have to wonder what the explanation for the Children of Atom being rad-resistant is. I visited the crater when looking for Virgil, but didn't speak to any other NPCs after that (though I will explore more later).

I'm not sure why so many people think that 200 years should mark this vastly different type of world in terms of life and technology. Chernobyl and the WWII bombings are not good examples for various reasons, but primarily because they are micro-level events - that is contained in a relatively small area. In the Fallout universe, we are talking a world-wide, cataclysmic event. The surprising fact is that the world is as holding together as well as it is.

If you want to think more along the scales of the destruction we're talking, look more along the lines of the K-PG event... aka when the dinosaurs ate it. The entire climate changed... wiping out 2/3 of all species, taking millions of years to recover (of which man only appeared in the last 200,000).

Even the Fallout lore says that much of the planet underwent desertification. Ever been to a desert? Not much green, leafy vegetation is it?

And much like life in the K-PG, only those underground or provided some significant level of protection would have survived.... so a scant 200 years after that level of destruction, the human population would still be abysmally low.

And the technology? Well, go back 100 years from today and look at our technology... then image that we got blasted back into the bronze age. Yes, much of it still exists in-game and is even still usable, but there are very few people who have the wherewithal or capability (or even concern) to be able to do anything with it. When you worry about food and survival, technology falls way down on the pyramid of necessity.

I enjoy the world as it is, and to alter it beyond that would be even further steps away from what Fallout started as.

The k-pg even was of a magnitude a million times greater than a nuclear exchange. We are not capable of creating even a fraction of hat much energy. The shockwave and heat from the blast most likely killed 2/3 of the life on the planet.

Agreed... I wasn't intending to compare the magnitude of energy release but more along the lines of a large scale, climate altering event. Nuclear winter, desertification etc.

I'm not worried about the buildings. But if there was a full scale nuclear winter, it should still be having an effect, not warm enough for half naked raiders. Also, there would be far less people alive on the surface than there already are. But no, everything seems to point to humanity having survived through the war (barely), and lived on the surface from then on. I was using chernobyl for an example of radiation vs plant life.


The scale of the nuclear war was apparently enough to end modern civilization, but not completely decimate major cities. We have major countries in a world that doesn't operate on SCIENCE! and have nuclear powered everything, and we have been able to destroy the world many times over for decades. If the world wasn't glassed, than the war wasn't as devastating as we're led to believe.


Either way, if we're getting mutated animals loving through all this crap and humans who somehow survived a global thermonuclear war and a nuclear winter of some level, we should have a LOT more greenery. Irradiated to hell, possibly twisted, but still GREEN. If anything is going to survive it's going to be bacteria > fungus > plants > insects > small animals > complex animals and humans

To which we again point out that it is October. Everything is brown and orange and yellow during that time of year without nuclear holocaust.

It look don't change in FO4 in April, May, June,July ... that only change if you use the seasons mod from Nexus

and people dont age in 99% of games either.

I get the point, but I'm proposing that if all (or most) of the local plant life died in the aftermath of the war (that is directly exposed to the fire/heat/climate)... then any new plant life or biological material has to be introduced to the area and survive. Which would explain why certain things will grow - the fungi, the mutfruit, etc and also why there isn't other diversity.... because it has to be brought in from an outside source.

An example from Fallout 3... is the grove (which thrived in it's little area, but not much beyond), and even FNV from the vault... which was beginning to break free of the entrance.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, I'm simply arguing the counter point of why it hasn't.

Actually, if the world was nuked im sure the global elite would have plans after the bombs fall. In other words, if this happened for real, the world will be in chaos for probably only 10-20 years.

Even in real life, I doubt the global elite would care much for the majority of the population, let alone in Fallout where they are pretty much portrayed as straight up one-dimensional mustache-twirling sadistic villains.