So many disappointed people and I'm just here thinking it's the best game in existence. Oh well, win for me I guess.

No need to spit on CD Projekt Redm there one of the few companies that don't take players for complete idiots. And I really have to object Witcher 3 all through completely different to fallout (duh !) is not a sandbox game for a start, but a narrative game and it excels at that, it also has a better engine that the outdated fallout 4 one. But you can not deny that it set an example as a very good open world game with story driven elements.

I am not dishing Fallout 4 but for me it does feel subpar to what it could of been, deserve a 7 or 8 not a 0 not a 10. Having to rely on mods to fix basic gameplay choices is a deal breaker for me.

By the standards of yesteryear, yes.

There was a time when, Bethesda could just pull any ol' thing out of it's anus and all the gaming world would applaud like mongoloid seals.

Now, the competition is much stiffer. And Bethesda's engine is much older. And the same old problems persist.

I hope Bethesda takes note of this. For TES VI, they better develop a new engine and treat the PC version a bit more seriously. Modders shouldn't have to come to the rescue. It's pathetic when a customer base must rely on itself to fix a product's faults, instead of the company that produced the product.

Even if what you're saying is true (which is debatable as the bulk of reviewers that will review fo4 have done so) that's still an indictment of the game not quite living up to expectation.BGS games typically don't need to ride out the initail wave of critic reviews, as they're typically extolling Bethesda for the quality of their games; that hasn't happened to the same extent this time.

It may be remembered more fondly in time, but it's one of the few games BGS has created that hasn't blown everyone away (figuratively speaking).

As far as I'm aware it's the lowest rated game BGS has made, with morrowind at an 88 aggregate coming in second.

That pretty much nails the sentiment of this thread, after all of the hype did we really expect BGS to release their worst game yet (according to critics)?

I know this is way off topic, but as a massive fan of Civ3 who has been playing it for many years I have to wonder what about Civ3 disappointed you so? If you don't mind answering. I found it to be a significant improvement over Civ2.

Critical reviews... As in game critics... Reviewing the game.How is that not obvious, unless you glanced over the original post?

Umm no, if you recall, FONV got an 84.. I thought FONV was the best Fallout game ever made and that is anything but a critical failure.. I think that Fallout 4 is already Bethesda's greatest game to date without even playing all that much of it.

No it's not, actually.

Jim's spot-on, here. Metacritic's credibility was dragged out into a rear alley and shot through the head years ago. For every "legitimate" review one finds there, you find ten other lazy, impulsive, drive-by, immature reactionary crap-posts that give the proper monk's order critics a bad name. That site is now mostly populated by basemant-dwelling rage-monkeys.

New Vegas is my favourite game of all time, but it was a critical failure by Bethesda's standards.To the extent that Obsidian lost out on their bonus for not hiting the 85 metacritic threshold, now Fallout 4 ironically is dangling just above it.

So after spend lunch day playing, and reading some reviews, include Metrocritic, Steam, and other place. I come to the conclusion.

NO, Fallout 4 isnt a failure disappointment at all, actually if i go and look game like Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and NV. Probbably till the date Fallout 4 is the best game. Why, the world is one of the most detail i have see so far (speak of Bethesda games).

Enemies AI have improve really well, to the point where a Deathclaw is moving to avoid my shoots, Raider hide behind wall or cars to avoid dmg.

Quest they are good, yeah i agree the main quest is not that great, and alot of the side quest are better (most game this day have better side quest that main quest i don't know why)

The new craft system is beautiful and could be improve, love how u can make a hunting rifle into a sniper rifle. Armor crafting is good too. I don't feel that the remove of the repair system have impact much since now i use the items for other stuff.

The new Power Armor make me feel actually powerful with it (after i upgrade it, why bc im playing Survival mode, i die 6 times to the first Deathclaw that was 2 shooting me (like a good Deathclaw)). The core system make it not that reliable but still is good to feel OP when i use it.

The new Perk system i feel is really good and solve the issue the old Skill system have, why i said this, easy, the old system was easy to work around build, like i could take Agility 1 and still go all the way up with guns and be good with it. Now i have restriction, plus most perk have 5 ranks, back in the day u only get a modifies at 25 skill points so isn't as crazy as it look.

The difficulty of the game have interesting giving me challenges sometimes and other no.

The new weather system, man i love it, got hit by a rad storm while i was sneaking into a raid place, good lord not only i was running to get shelter on a heavy raid settlement but i was getting attack at the same time.

The new settlement feature is interesting, i will love some thing different like the defensive wall be able to just make like and cut it where i want, is hard to close all the whole between place to get a "fort type" settlement.

The UI was hard to get use to, but after a while is just easy to use. U can change key bind, and u can assigning weapons and items to 0-9. (this maybe isn't hard for me is how i play most MMO so probably i have easy time getting use to the new UI)

Run into interesting bug, like conversation overlapping, Dogmeat never cumming back, and some other. Nothing that a reload or a command didn't solve, but still till date this is one of the best release i have experience on a Bethesda game.

I have read most of the critics here and metacritic and Steam. Metacritic i don't care what most ppl said is full with Trolls or haters, there are good "bad" reviews there explain why they didnt like it. But there are alot of 0 and "someone told me to give that" or "Oblivion with gun".

I guess is true Fallout have leave behind alot of the RPG elements to become a more friendly Action RPG game. I guess 10k ppl still like the game on steam. (since u can only review one and if u only own the game). I really don't care they force a background on me since is a nice one, the option of giving me the PA early wasn't bad since show me how bad is the wasteland w/o it (only why to kill the deathclaw really, plus i use all the mini gun ammo so it was a waste). I hear ppl complain about the voice actor, i really didn't find any issue since he show emotion when is need. (i get use to playing Witcher and ME).

Anyway, i think the game is still one of the best Bethesda had made so yeah isnt a disaster or failure or disappoint.

Not for me, this is the first Fallout that I actually can get into which is a win as I've always wanted to enjoy wandering in the wasteland in the same way I've enjoyed thousands of hours in Tamriel. Gone are the problems with gun damage and shooting, as well as the heavy reliance on VATS which was a deal breaker for me in previous titles. There's some things that I can nitpick on but overall it's a great game thus far that I plan on sinking many hours in to.

Critic reviews, not user reviews; seriously read the original post.
I'm not saying that the game is a failure in my opinion, but in terms of critical acclaim it arguably is.

But the game isn't failing with the critics. Unless we're taking the position of extremist privilege and self sabotage by believing "not as successful in aggregate" = failure. With such preposterous standards I suppose everything is a failure.

You should spend more time paying attention to JHE's posts, he's one of the more reasonable critics of Beth and their handling of Fallout...and TBH, much of the criticism, while sometimes a bit on the extreme side, is perfectly legitimate. Beth's version of Fallout is not above criticism, just the same as Black Isle's isn't above it.

However, as to the actual topic, as others have posted, it is far too early to call Fallout 4 a failure. Personally, I couldn't care less if it's considered a critical failure, as long as I have enjoyed the game (and so far I have) that's all that matters.

GOTY? I couldn't give a [censored] if it wins anything. Metacritic? Same deal, I just don't care, if I enjoy it, that;s all that matters to me, not what others think, and certainly not a few reviewers who've spend ten hours playing only to deem it boring and an utter failure.

Again your misapprehension shines through, I've said multiple times that I personally don't consider Fallout 4 to be a failure; but in terms of critical reviews it's the worst BGS game ever.
I've said absolutely nothing dogmatic or definitive, I've merely suggested arguments under the complete awareness that I may be proved wrong in the future.

I've said multiple times that I'm deeply enjoying Fallout 4 on its own merits.Now if you would kindly choke on one of your fallacies and stop throwing incoherent slurs at me then we may be able to have a lucid debate, though only without your presence.

No one really needs to worry about the negativity or the positivity is that is whats getting you down. Be content in your decision to either enjoy the game or not buy it/play it.

It can be fun to discuss games, but it does seem in this last decade that people have become increasingly critical of games, movies, anything fun at all. You can visit any gaming board, imdb movie board and it's full of either angry, critical or sad people or on the other end those fervently defending.

I used to enjoy discussing whats great and what could be worked on in any given game, but it seems there are less folks who enjoy something and yet can still discuss the things they wish were different. People feel the need to either hate it or defend. I love this game, can't like that other one because reasons. Since I loved old school, can't like new stuff. I like new stuff so can't appreciate old stuff. Any disagreements can't be discussed, since it's all taken as personal attacks.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but folks seem really black and white about things in recent years.

That's more barbed than i would have worded it, but it's accurate.
By the extremely inordinate standards that critics (and gamers, though that's a different debate) gauge Fallout by, one could suggest that Fallout 4 hasn't met critical expectation; and is therefor potentially a disappointment.

Me being the one to read the nonsense is exactly why I said what I did. This is the third thread he's made to hyperbolize mostly unintelligent troll ratings (look at all the 1's and 0's that obvious haters have rated it.) and theres no doubt that he's going to try to make a new one once this thread closes. You know you have no real argument to make when you need bad reviews from the Wikipedia of gaming sites to try to tear a game down over petty reasons. I don't mean 'you' you bbtw I just mean 'you'' in general.

Then stop coming up with every petty oppurtunity you can to whine about everything Bethesda chooses to do differently.


Just. how many hours HAVE you put into this game so far btw?

You mean the same price that pretty much is the industry standard? You make it sound like you had to take out equity in your home for this game.

How many times do you I need to say I'm enjoying Fallout 4?I think many of the criticisms of Fallout 4 are risible, such as the graphical complaints.But that shouldn't preclude a rational debate on Fallout 4's perception in the gaming journalism.
Tell me at what point have I exaggerated troll comments/reviews?

You simply don't know what's happening around you, your sudden hatred towards me has blinded you to the rational discussion contained within this thread.I've yet to actually criticise anything specific pertaining to Fallout 4; by reading your comments that wouldn't seem to be the case.

Eh. Me? I'm having a blast with the game - not terribly concerned how others feel about it at the moment, if I'm honest.

I'll probably be ready for more in-depth critiques in a few weeks or so. At the moment though I'm a little busy actually playing the game.

i actually read the original post, and since Fallout is 87 isnt a failure.

i just said what i said bc most of the negativity the game is getting is cumming from "users".

Just over 10 in the space of two days, again I'm making no personal judgements on the game. I'm merely trying to interpret the reality of Fallout receiving sub-par scores by Bethesda's standards.