okay ive been searching for awhile because i want to play the older elder scrolls i started with morrowind and really enjoyed it. i cant find a copy of daggerfall for under 60 bucks. its what 13 years old could you please release it as freeware? or as a second option could you put it as a download on xbox live arcade? i would buy it. i want to play it but i don't want to resort to getting it illegally but if its not available what other choice do i have? it would be awesome if Bethesda went on mission to upload all of their older games.

1. It costs alot as it is a rare game, there are pretty limited amounts of copies.

2. It wont be released as freeware as its too buggy, they would then have to provide support to those users.

3. It cannot, and never will be able to be played on and xbox, http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=941069


You should try the demo before you get hyped up about this game, maybe you dont even like it - http://www.uesp.net/file.shtml?dagger/files/dfbetony.zip see the Pinned thread to get it running.

might be a rare game and buggy... but since Bethesda released Arena as free download, why not everything else, too?

Support does NOT have to be offered, when the games are supplied "as-is" without any warranty/guarantee.

Being buggy is absolutely no argument. Arena is, partly, too, and so are Battlespire and Redguard.

So... Bethesda, how about this? I would be quite interested, too, and there certainly are lots of others.

Pete (press guy at gamesas) have said that it will never happen.

My guess is that they don't want to release any rated M game for free.

oh yeah, its properly not going to make them look good as free game is avialable to everyone, bypassing age resrictions.

Why would that stop them releasing as freeware?



Why would they have to provide support?



I suspect another small reason would be they don't want to set a precedent. Morrowind still sells, you wouldn't want people thinking "I won't bother buying Morrowind this year, it'll be up for free eventually anyway".




I can't see why this would be a problem. I can get porm for free, but it comes with a disclaimer and asks me to verify I'm over 18.

I don't think Bethesda Softworks wants to be associated with either porm or those extremly effective disclaimers. Different companies, different policies.

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I was using porm as an example, jeez. How exactly would including an "appropriate content" disclaimer "associate" them with pormography?


I understand that this may be Bethesda's policy, but I still don't see it as a valid reason.

i think if they released it as freeware, its contains horror, nudity and volience, it might have to get re-rated to today's standards :shrug: im sure there is a good reason, they wouldnt hold out on their most loyal friends from the past games forum.

At least there's no swearing. Well if you count the "By Thorig's Beard!" or "By the Frozen Wastes!" as swearing..

Let's keep the game not free. It gives us, owners of Daggerfall, something to be proud of. Like an accomplishment. Even today, I sometimes look at the Daggerfall box and the screenshots on the back. I also read the game's features and then proceed to re-read the manual. Good times.
Elder Scrolls don't make their game manuals today like they did before with Arena and Daggerfall.

Amen. Also, nowadays you're lucky if you even GET a physical manual... >_>

Bethesda should release Daggerfall through Steam. Look how well 2K has done with X-COM.



How times have changed.

Bethesda may very well be afraid to release Daggerfall for free. Everybody (rather, everybody who grew up with it first and lacks the anti-RPG prejudice Oblivion gave all the new fans) knows it's undisputedly the greatest Elder Scrolls game, aside from instability and its rarity. Why else would it be worth $50+ on eBay, despite being over a decade old?

All those people who never had the privilege of learning about Daggerfall, or those who were just too lazy to hunt for it to experience it, would realize how ignorant Bethesda has been and how dumbed-down their games have been becoming.

Bethesda will panic due to their inability to make a game as great as Daggerfall - the original team is all gone and whilst the Daggerfall team had been very ambitious (they had promised so much), all they have done in the past years was do the very opposite, just try to destroy the series and conform it to the mainstream definition of "RPG".

There will be a schism between the fans and Bethesda (there already is, it's just that Daggerfallers are few and far inbetween) and the world will explode.

So... You start Steam, Steam starts Dosbox, and Dosbox starts Daggerfall?

Not you, everyone. Yay. Also Battlespire, Battlespire, BATTLESPIRE!

DOS games on Steam = fail.

I own Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny on Steam, and there's several quirks:

1) It does NOT tell people you are in-game, nor does it rack up game time on your SteamID page. No gloating anymore...

2) It uses generic pre-set DOSBox configurations that totally svck, along with some confusing .bat files. Unless you have the brain power to already know how to use DOSBox and edit the .conf file, expect lots of Steam support tickets being filed. Especially problematic for the earlier TES games since they're all so picky in terms of how you set them up.

Probably no manuals either, and Arena and Daggerfall desperately need them included.

Well, don't blame Steam on that. Steam can see DOSBox, (why its not setup I don't know - I manually hooked DOSBox in). And as for the preset configs, blame the developers, Steam gets it 'as is'.

Yes, but unless they make an exception for Bethesda, these will be the same people deciding to leave Daggerfall unpatched, or not to include the setup.exe, or forget to tell people to run fall and not dagger...

X-COM: UFO Defense, Terror from the Deep and Apocalypse are all DOS games and I do not run into the problems you mentions while playing them. It does tell people that you're playing and it does count on your community page.

Solution for the second point would be a rather simple case of fixing and optimising the .conf before releasing it. Also Steam has support for displaying manuals, a lot of publishers just choose not to utilise it.

Maybe they could rope some of the talented modders into un-nudifying the game and fixing the bugs? Or, at least giving modders permission to tinker with the source code? I dunno. The modding community and die-hard fans would probably love to help un-bug the game.

As for "M" rated games... doesn't make sense. Can't games be grandfathered, as far as ratings go? And it isn't against the law. There is no federal law that says games must be rated and can't be sold if they are of a certain rating blah blah blah. Seems very silly, if you ask me. You don't see the ESRB applying ratings to the Greek sections of museums: "Oh noes! nvde lady and naked dude! Don't let the kiddies in!"

There's a long-standing rumor that the Daggerfall source code no longer exists, that it was lost during a move. Anyway, it's been firmly and officially stated that it will not ever be released. http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/mel.html could rebuild it from a disassembly anyway, even though that would be flouting the EULA.

There's no law preventing distribution, in the US anyway, but companies in the video game industry have gotten mighty risk-averse since Hot Coffee and the Oblivion rerating fiasco. Selling directors on releasing something that could damage their image for zero return is a tough sell. And there would be no closing her gown after Azura's boobies got out

:lol:

Well, what if they gave modders (and real programmers that are TES fans) permission to tinker with the .exe? That way, people who have the game could at least benefit from bug-fixes.

*sigh* I suppose that's already been thought of and rejected as an idea, though.

I'm not a genius regarding copyright laws and things of that nature but what grounds do they have to stop people tinkering with the .exe? I was under the impression that the only problem is with distribution of the .exe, that they have a right to prevent people from distributing the full executable but not from distributing a patcher that contains only the changes and instructions for the patcher app on how/where to apply them.

heres a link from amazon http://www.amazon.com/Elder-Scrolls-Chapter-II-Daggerfall/dp/B000BP3E0M?SubscriptionId=0D7MQS8FNEE09YPRGE82&tag=squakenet_buy-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B000BP3E0M there nine used games there that you can buy

"ChildGuard" doesn't censor all nudity, I hear. I'm not sure, I've never used it (I'm too busy getting horny off of pixellated porm). >_>

Come on people, it's in two dimensions. If you're going to sue over this then you need a life.