I'm a little lost what is the link and I personally consider cesar's legion as an evil faction/ending.
And mr house's goals you could argue are selfish/bad as for fallout 2 I still need to complete it but isn't the enclave ending very similar to the enclave ending (pre broken steel) in fallout 3?

Caesar's Legion victory is not an inherently evil ending. It's just philosophically questionable to western society.

In my opinion, I consider Enclave victory to be the only positive ending to Fallout 3.

House's goals are selfish, as are the NCR's, as are the Legion's, as are any of the factions. The trick is picking the particular type of selfishness you think would work best in the Mojave. I picked the Enclave in FO3 because they are both trying to make it better and have the means to do so, as opposed to the Brotherhood who haven't accomplished anything in twenty years and can't maintain control of their own forces. I pick Legion in New Vegas because I think they're type of selfishness is best for the Mojave.

-Nukeknockout

Great taste in games, although I place the list as so.

1. World of Warcraft (Classic)
2. World of Warcraft (Burning Crusade)
3. Diablo 2
4. Fallout New Vegas
5. Fallout 3

Cata was a horrible xpac.

I did explore all the CW, the problem is its all the same so I feel no need to explore it again, once you see one pile of junk you've seen them all, and I wasn't complaining about how it was short, short games don't bother me, actually I prefer short games to long games because longer ones tend to have more padding while shorter games feel more refined and focused.

And I'm sorry I was trying to play what is supposed to be a Fallout game as a Fallout game, I didn't realize I was supposed to play it like a TeS game, I guess I missed The Elder Scrolls: Fallout 3 on the box.

Fallout is a nice game, yes; but I've played plenty of other good games! Resident Evil 2 & 3 come to mind... Oh man, why can't they make classic thrillers like those anymore?

Because money blah blah blah.

I don't see why Bethesda can't just got some indie dev to make a cheapo Fallout in the style of the orignals, then sell it for 10 or 20 bucks on Steam, PSN and XBox Live, with a name like Fallout you are pretty much guaranteed profit.

Thanks, level 60 cap will forever be missed. Level 70 was also good, though I didn't like what happened to PvP. Let's not get off topic though

Diablo 2, Resident Evil's 2 & 3, along with Dino Crisis 2 are all top of the list for me.

I wouldn't even put Fallout on my top 10

Ahhh Dino Crisis, I remember many an hour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrzD-pTWov8&list=UU48WWtRhe7Ux32aGGQyNVOQ&index=28&feature=plpp_video to that game.

as for my list

1. Fallout
2. Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines
3. Max Payne
4. Fallout New Vegas
5. Bioshock

It was really hard to condense it down to just 5.

I disagree, I've spent the last two hours playing, "Am I standing far away enough from the Deathclaw to use my rocket launcher?" there 's a lot fo strategy.

I didn't mean play it like an Elder Scrolls game exactly. I mean play it like Fallout 3. Why is it so hard to accept that it's a different game, with different focuses, set in the same universe? You don't complain that Empire at War doesn't play like Jedi Outcast or Galactic Battlegrounds or X-Wing. (At least, I wouldn't.) I don't see how this is different.

To me the essence of Fallout is more than the sub-genre it belongs to or the play style, it's about the unique retro-futuristic post-apocalyptic setting.

Because Empire at War is a completely different genre then those games and is no way connected to them other being Star Wars, Fallout 3 is supposed to a sequel to Fallout 2, so you can't blame me for wanting it to be like the early games and try to play it as one of those. I don't like Bethesda games (well except Morrowind), they focus too much on exploration and nothing else, you can really see that in Skyrim, a great well built world that's fun to explore, but pretty shallow outside of that.

If they called it Fallout Capital Wasteland or something, or just rebooted Fallout then I would have less of a problem with the game, I still wouldn't like it but it wouldn't feel so dishonest.

Back to New Vegas, its my second favorite Fallout game, I have yet to beat Fallout 2 because I get to San Fran and lose interest very quickly, that and the 4th wall breaking humor is a huge turn off.

Sorry I got completly off topic talking about another game which confused you.

This for me.
I absolutely love FNV...but the reason it wouldn't be my #1 is because for me, the replay value in terms of "finally get bored of game, 6-8 months go by, replay game, get hooked again" has been non-existent. It's still installed and I occasionally fire it up to look at something, but at this point not sure I'll truly replay it again. Unlike some other games where I'd go back to them once or twice a year over and over for 5+ years.

But in terms of how obsessively immersed I was and how much fun I got out of it during all those hours of mucking about? Definitely top 5.

It's a good game, but that's about it.

I guess you have a point here. Still, it couldn't have taken long to realise that Fallout 3 is fundamentally different from the previous Fallout games and adjust the way you play.

Kinda svcks that the one in the Capital Wasteland is the one with the number and Fallout New Vegas is the one without. I haven't played the first two games but New Vegas seems much more of a true sequel than FO3 was.

Yes fallout 3 is a sequel but in the fallout series there never connected to each other bar the odd reference .They deal with different issues in each game so your only problem that I can see is you don't like the fps/rpg side of it and more focus on exploration (wich fo1 and 2 had elements of) so this goes back too why did you purchase it in the first place knowing it's bethesda.

I'll just poop my top 5 list here.

1. GTA IV
2. Halo Reach
3. Fallout: New Vegas
4. Tony Hawk's Underground
5. Mass Effect 2

I am very surprised that you would even ask that last question. He bought it because it said Fallout on the box. I can understand the disappointment of finding an Elder Scrolls clone instead of a continuation of a great isometric, turn-based franchise.

Fallout 3 was my favourite ever game and then I played New Vegas it took a bit of time to adjust to the new style but i have to say I'm absolutely addicted to it now. And I'm looking forward to trying Fallout 1 and 2 some day soon!

I don't think it's wild to ask him why he bought it tbh considering who.made it maybe I shouldn't of said it but he doesn't in anyway strike me as a person who would like bethesda games and I think it clouds his judgment on fallout 3 , and the fact it seems like he would only be happy with fallout 3 if it was van buren it just seems like bethesda's take on fallout 3 was all ready dead in the water in his mindset.

Maybe I missed someone else's post, but I definitely played over 20 hours. But it all felt very bland to me, which is just my opinion. So don’t go demanding factual evidence guys. (Lobotomite seems to understand) I even tried in hardcoe mode, which did make it a little more interesting.

Well… ya got me there. But that was my point. BEFORE I played Fallout 3, I thought guns and RPGs didn’t mix. Anyway, Wasteland: A region with no remaining resources; a desert, or any barren or uninteresting place. At least according to Wiktionary. And I know you’re kidding about there only being 5 side quests, but I actually felt involved in FO3’s quests and had a sense of compassion for the NPCs where in New Vegas I, personally, didn’t care about anyone except maybe Boon.

How do you think it’s all the same if you don’t explore. And ya, the amount of content and freedom in downtown DC was much less than I expected and pretty upsetting. But I play every game the same in that I try to explore every nook and cranny. Even Mario games. Anyway, I’m not gonna lie, Fallout 3 was the first FO game I played, and NV was probably a letdown to me because it wasn’t new to me anymore. And as someone mentioned, I didn’t like the Wild West theme. I chose these quotes to point out peoples’ ideas, not to address these people directly. But for anyone to say that FO3 was empty is ignorant. NV wasn’t empty, but in my opinion, the game just felt like there was nothing left to do much sooner than FO3 did.

The main problem with the Capital Wasteland for me was that it was a theme park. Lots of interesting places that have nothing to do with each other. It was classic Bethesda at work, if looks cool then they'll jam it in there without bothering with the little things like lore and making sense.

Wow, that is literally the opposite of how I experienced the two games.

Also, here's a http://i56.tinypic.com/250q8oi.jpg just throwing that out there.

I liked Fallout 3 better simply because of the mod, "Mothership Zeta Crew"...nah just kidding, still a good mod though. New Vegas was an extremely fun game and I'm downloading it right now to replay it, especially since I'm contemplating a Skyrim character and simply can't get into it for some weird reason.

The DLCs (except Dead Money ) makes it great.