Honestly, i don't know what you were expecting. People need to vent. Thus forums were created.
Frankly speaking, I feel like deep down some of us are posting under the assumption that if enough negative momentum is gathered against some new feature Bethesda will eventually back down. Or twist a few bolts.

This is how I look at the more vocal posts on this forum. It's all fine by me.

Peace.

Errhm, that is a very minor point of what I've been saying, so why dwell on it? Yea Oblivion was a disapointment, thats the important part in this context, I don't need to say "yea but I did like this" because that is utterly pointless when im using OB as an example of how Beth can indeed make a game worse than the one before it

You are internalizing people's concerns and misinterpreting them as negativity. Having concerns about how a game you have been waiting years for is not to be confused with negativity. Seems a bit soap box-ish of you though. Why does it even effect you at all? It really shouldn't. People in this world are going to have different opinions than your own and you cannot change that so don't fight it. If you want more positive threads then start some "Fun" threads of your own. If people come in and troll it then report them like I do. But chillax.

I agree, for the most part. Constructive criticism is fine and dandy, but a lot of people just hurl insults at Oblivion and at the idea of Skyrim. It's aggravating to hear a game like Oblivion that you love or a game like Skyrim that you're excited about get insulted or put down, especially repeatedly, which I think was the cause of this topic being made.


If you really thought everything that was removed from Morrowind to Oblivion was a mistake, then yeah, I can see how you would be pessimistic about it, and I fully believe that you'll be disappointed by Skyrim as well, mostly because I thought a lot of the things they removed from Morrowind were good choices (not all of them, mind you) and the changes to Skyrim sound even better.

Of course the more customization the better, but skills and attributes are arbitrary things. I'd rather have what I'm actually doing in-game matter more than what points I'm distributing in menus. The less time I spend in menus and the more time I spend in-game, even better still.

And realists are never optimists or pessimists, they stand in the middle and then lean toward one or the other based on what realistically seems more likely. I'm ultimately leaning toward optimism with Skyrim, but I certainly have my doubts and acknowledge the pessimistic view.

I think 99% of people who visit these forums share a common hope and desire that Skyrim will be a great game. We just have different ways of expressing our anticipation. Some people like to post information they have gleaned from the web, some just want to share their excitement, others like to voice their concerns on some aspect we have learned.

If I see a topic i'm not interested in, I just don't open it.

Here's my over all view, in the best words I can think of to explain my opinion (which isn't right or wrong, as I've said. I've hardly been the one criticizing other people's perspectives, because I tend to see both sides of the debate). Of course there were many things in the other games that disappointed me, and of course I am pretty sure there will be plenty to be disappointed about with Skyrim. That is to be expected with anything...

And I certainly understand that people hope that their complaints will be heard and their ideas considered. I agree that a good developer will listen. But we have to remember that they cannot please everyone, and to expect them to cater to all your wishes is quite unrealistic....

Now, I know I will not be entirely satisfied with Skyrim. But I try not to spend all my time dwelling on the things I might not like, and I'd rather focus on what I will like. It's like this: when you think everything is dark and gloomy, then yes--everything is dark and gloomy. You are not incorrect, because that is what you are seeing. But if you try to alter your perspective a little, and look for the things that will make you happy, you will be able to enjoy things a little more. And I'm not accusing anyone of being dark and gloomy all t he time--this is merely an example, and I'm sorry if anyone has felt singled out by me, because that was not my intention.

What I'd say is, let people voice their opinion. We don't want this to end up like the Bioware forums where if you talk bad about the game you get banned, or when ever you think something is wrong you are trolling somehow.

People should spend some time in the Fallout 3 forum, that place is a Zen paradise of calm. As for Skyrim, obsession often breeds nihilism. :angel:

I for 1 can be positive about this game, I am positive that I will love it be it flawed or not, I will not judge it by previous titles or other games, I will love it because I love all TES and beth games (except wet, hated that game), there may be aspects of the game that I love less then others and maybe even some I down right just dont or wont like, but I guarantee that I will lose sleep with this game, and spend well over 500 hrs on it as I have done with every TES game thus far.

Now having said that I will tell you what I dont like lol,... I dont like the less then trickle of info we have received on this game and the way in which some people think we keep getting new info ,... no we dont !!! they keep telling us the same stuff over and over and many just seem to hear pieces of info then thinking we getting new info ,... please read all releases b4 stating that info is new when it is weeks old ,.... we discuss the heck out of minor details and that rocks but we should get a steady week release of info instead of 1 little release of info a month with 2 pics ,... my reason is this a small game (say a 8 hr linear game due out at the same time distance) would release more info on their game then we are having released to us on a game that has hundreds of hours of game play (in an open sandbox world) ,... I am not seeking massive amounts of info, rather a steady trickle of pics and concept art with a tiny bit of info weekly,.. dont think that is too much to ask is all,,, I am already sold bought the game already and everything so come on tease me with a trickle dont starve me then tease me that makes me angry and resentful. JMO

Thats a bit harsh since their actual track record of improvement up to morrowind was very good, one slip with Oblivion is nothing to get all skeptical about.

I mean look at Ford ................Sierra..............Escorts.............. Fiesta, then the slip-up being the KA <------- what the hell was the KA? then back on track with the Focus..........Mondeo etc.

I honestly enjoyed Oblivion, yes not as much as Morrowind, but a hell of a lot more than any other game out there right now.

That is because Bioware svcks hairy monkey cheetooes, I wish they would sell the rights of mass effect to beth ,... they would do it right !!!!
BTW they gonna ruin the star wars genre for sure with an mmo that has an ending ??? and parts are actually linear ???

I really will be happy with whatever Beth gives me on 11.11.11. 'Nuff said.

Now this I can agree with. They haven't given us much, and they've really teased us more than they need to....



Excellent point, which is more or less how I feel about it. No, I wasn't so happy with the other ES games that I see no flaws. But they are still better than any other game I've ever played, in my opinion. So, when I say that I know I am going to be happy with Skyrim, I am not being overly optimistic--they would have to make a pretty big mistake to make TES games less than the best I've ever played--flaws and all.

Well I wouldn't say DF to MW was a improvement. Unless your talking about Battlespire-Redgaurd-Morrowind then it's an steady improvement.

Arena (base)- Daggerfall (OMG! This is awesome so much better than Arena)- Battlespire (lol, what is this, wow you completely dropped the ball)- Redguard (Well its better than BS, lol)- Morrowind (There we go, that's what I needed. No DF though...)- Oblivion (Yeah, I enjoyed that)

Problem; i was feeling exited for oblivion.

Yeah......

Also I'm not all nostalgia glasses if i was i would say arena was the best but i personally go.

morrowind>daggerfall>oblivion>arena

There's been negativity? WTF?

:lmao:

Actually, people are indeed complaining a lot about the game. We should be enthusiastic and praise everything we see.

Im positive when I feel positive. Skyrim isn't making me feel positive. I accept that I am no longer the desired fan base, and I have accepted that. I may or may not purchase the game. But we are all entitled to our opinion. My opinion is negative, and Bethesda needs to know how many people feel this way. My negativity is certianly not inappropriate.

Imagine a world with nothing but positive feedback. Nothing would be good...

I haven't seen anyone say there should be nothing but positive feedback. Those who have said it, I assume, were being sarcastic... :rolleyes:

When only one point of view is expressed in print, this usually is called censorship. I think some dictatorships practice this. Are you trying to dictate my concerns ?

EDIT: The above is a rhetorical question made in jest.

No one is trying to censor your point of views, so...the answer is no.

Anyone else going to love whatever Beth gives them on 11.11 like me?

:foodndrink:

I Second that :goodjob: