Can repeated new saves cause CTD on saving? : IV

» Tue May 10, 2011 12:49 pm

I started with a "fresh" old (first character created) save that only consisted of Oblivion.esm, UOP, and alternate start mod listed in the Wrye Bash saves file list.

I have been trying to use that as a base to build a fresh game upon. I load one or two mods, bash, load game, wait 30 sec, move around, type in the console "save whatevername" so I can keep track of what type of save it is, and it saves successfully at the start.

I then run into a problem where every time I try to save, the game crashes. I remove a mod, try to save, crash...remove another, save...crash...til I am basically back to the base mod install again.

Here is my current active LO that crashes on save:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5.5]05  BetterMusicSystem.esm06  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.1]08  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0B  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]0C  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.0]0D  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]0E  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]0F  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]10  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]11  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]12  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]13  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.3]14  ImprovedSigns.esp15  SoT_Holiday+RealDaysAndMonths Merged Plugin.esp16  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3.1]17  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]18  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp19  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.7.1]1A  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]1B  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 1.4]1C  Thieves Arsenal.esp++  Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp1D  OC+COBL Luggage Patch.esp1E  Cobl Glue+Cobl Si esp Merged Plugin.esp  [Version 1.72]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]1F  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]20  Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp21  BetterInns + NewHomeOwners.esp  [Version 1.2]22  BetterInns - BHCExpanded PATCH.esp23  thievery.esp24  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]25  Lynges_Thieves_Highway-10256.esp26  bartholm.esp27  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]28  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]29  Open Cities Bartholm.esp  [Version 1.1.1]2A  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.5.5]2B  Open Cities Reborn - Full Merge.esp  [Version 0.6.3]++  OCC-COBL-Wells.esp2C  Birthsigns Expanded.esp  [Version 3.11.]2D  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 1.2]++  GotNoClass.esp2E  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]2F  BetterInns - Salmo the Baker, Cobl PATCH.esp30  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]31  nGCD.esp32  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp33  Progress Merged Plugins.esp  [Version 2.0]++  Immediate Character Generation.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp34  TRAP.esp++  Disable Tutorial Text.esp35  SPAWN.esp  [Version 0.3]**  Open Cities Reborn Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]36  Bashed Patch, 0.esp37  MergedMaps.esp

I will work backwards again while I wait for help. This thing is annoying. It isn't like I have 200+ mods loaded this time around.

update...my new still crashing LO reduced and falling still...

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5.5]05  BetterMusicSystem.esm06  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.1]08  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0B  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]0C  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.0]0D  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]0E  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]0F  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]10  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]11  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]12  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]13  ImprovedSigns.esp14  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3.1]15  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]16  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp17  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.7.1]18  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]19  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 1.4]1A  OC+COBL Luggage Patch.esp1B  Cobl Glue+Cobl Si esp Merged Plugin.esp  [Version 1.72]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]1C  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]1D  Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp1E  BetterInns + NewHomeOwners.esp  [Version 1.2]1F  BetterInns - BHCExpanded PATCH.esp20  bartholm.esp21  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]22  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]23  Open Cities Bartholm.esp  [Version 1.1.1]24  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.5.5]25  Open Cities Reborn - Full Merge.esp  [Version 0.6.3]++  OCC-COBL-Wells.esp++  GotNoClass.esp26  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]27  BetterInns - Salmo the Baker, Cobl PATCH.esp28  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]29  nGCD.esp2A  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp2B  Progress Merged Plugins.esp  [Version 2.0]++  Immediate Character Generation.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp++  Disable Tutorial Text.esp**  Open Cities Reborn Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]2C  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

This thing is fickle. I got to a point where a game crashed on save, I unloaded the library mod, and saved successfully, so I loaded up book tracker, saved successfully, quit the game to desktop 3 times making saves each time...

LO now is:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5.5]05  BetterMusicSystem.esm06  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.1]08  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0B  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]0C  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.0]0D  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]0E  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]0F  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]10  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]11  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]12  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]13  BookTrackerOBSE.esp14  ImprovedSigns.esp15  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3.1]16  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]17  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp18  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.7.1]19  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]1A  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 1.4]1B  OC+COBL Luggage Patch.esp1C  Cobl Glue+Cobl Si esp Merged Plugin.esp  [Version 1.72]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]1D  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]1E  BetterInns + NewHomeOwners.esp  [Version 1.2]1F  BetterInns - BHCExpanded PATCH.esp20  bartholm.esp21  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]22  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]23  Open Cities Bartholm.esp  [Version 1.1.1]24  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.5.5]25  Open Cities Reborn - Full Merge.esp  [Version 0.6.3]++  OCC-COBL-Wells.esp++  GotNoClass.esp26  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]27  BetterInns - Salmo the Baker, Cobl PATCH.esp28  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]29  nGCD.esp2A  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp2B  Progress Merged Plugins.esp  [Version 2.0]++  Immediate Character Generation.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp++  Disable Tutorial Text.esp**  Open Cities Reborn Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]2C  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I'm guessing if I start adding one at a time, making a save each time, that eventually it is going to crash again.

» Tue May 10, 2011 4:26 pm

I've hit a spot in mine where it started crashing on saves as well, I can load back Several saves and play for awhile but it runs into the same deal.
I've Abandonded at least two previous games for the same problem, it's quite a pain to troubleshoot because once ot gets to that point it's generally beyond help, then again I can remove One mod that Seems to cure it, then after a few days it starts crashing on saves again...

» Tue May 10, 2011 3:52 pm

Dived in and loaded all my villages/cities/ULs/LTPD/NRB stuff, no gameplay /character changing stuff, and it saved.

On to the next phase.

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  TR_OoT_Main.esm02  Jog_X_Mod.esm03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]06  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]07  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]08  TamRes.esm09  Qarls_Harvest.esm0A  Harvest[Containers].esm0B  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5.5]0C  BetterMusicSystem.esm0D  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0E  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.1]0F  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp10  DLCShiveringIsles.esp11  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]12  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]13  TamRes.esp14  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.0]15  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]16  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]17  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]18  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]19  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]1A  AmbientTownSounds+DistantChapelBells-Merged Plugin.esp1B  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]1C  BookTrackerOBSE.esp1D  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp1E  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.3]1F  Fishing in Cyrodiil.esp20  ImprovedSigns.esp21  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp22  Qarls_Harvest.esp23  Qarls_Harvest addon.esp24  Harvest[Containers].esp25  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3.1]26  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]27  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp28  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.7.1]29  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]2A  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 1.4]++  FineWeapons+RustyItems Merged Plugin.esp2B  Slof's Horses Base.esp2C  Francesco's Optional Files.esp2D  OC+COBL Luggage Patch.esp2E  Cobl Glue+Cobl Si esp Merged Plugin.esp  [Version 1.72]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]2F  All Capes Cloaks Clothes Gloves and Robes+Bobs Armory-Merged.esp30  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]31  (DC) Sutch Reborn.esp32  Sutch Reborn Spawn Patch.esp33  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]34  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp35  BetterInns + NewHomeOwners.esp  [Version 1.2]36  BetterInns - ClocksOfCyrodiil PATCH.esp37  BetterInns - COBL PATCH.esp38  BetterInns - BHCExpanded PATCH.esp39  TR_Stirk.esp3A  Villages1.1.esp3B  Lynges_Thieves_Highway-10256.esp3C  GuardsofCyrodiilRedux.esp  [Version 1.10]3D  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.1.COBL]3E  Wellspring Vale.esp3F  ElsweyrAnequina.esp40  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.8]41  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.4]42  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.5]43  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]44  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0]45  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]46  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]47  xulTheHeath.esp48  SutchReborn-TheHeath patch.esp49  XulEntiusGorge.esp4A  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4B  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]4C  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4D  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]4E  SutchReborn-LostCoast patch.esp4F  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]50  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]51  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]52  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]53  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]54  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]55  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]56  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]57  xulPantherRiver.esp58  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]59  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]5A  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]5B  RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp  [Version 1.3.4]5C  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]5D  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]5E  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5F  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]60  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]61  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]62  West Roads.esp63  WellspringVale+WestRoads Patch.esp64  bartholm.esp65  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]66  Fort Akatosh Redux.esp67  FortAkatoshRedux-NewRoads&Bridges patch.esp68  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]69  Open Cities Bartholm.esp  [Version 1.1.1]6A  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.5.5]6B  Open Cities Reborn - Full Merge.esp  [Version 0.6.3]++  OCC-COBL-Wells.esp6C  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD+OCOD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.2]6D  NRB4+RR Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]6E  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  GotNoClass.esp6F  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]70  BetterInns - Salmo the Baker, Cobl PATCH.esp++  BetterInns - Harvest Containers PATCH.esp71  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 1.0]72  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]73  WR Villages Addon.esp74  nGCD.esp75  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp76  Progress Merged Plugins.esp  [Version 2.0]++  Immediate Character Generation.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp++  Disable Tutorial Text.esp77  Really Immersive Messages.esp78  SPAWN.esp  [Version 0.3]**  Open Cities Reborn Road Record.esp**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]++  Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.00]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]79  Bashed Patch, 0.esp7A  MergedMaps.esp

» Tue May 10, 2011 6:56 pm

I've hit a spot in mine where it started crashing on saves as well, I can load back several saves and play for awhile but it runs into the same deal.
I've abandoned at least two previous games for the same problem, it's quite a pain to troubleshoot because once it gets to that point it's generally beyond help, then again I can remove One mod that Seems to cure it, then after a few days it starts crashing on saves again...

A long short, but make sure you aren't victim of the a-bomb.

-Decrepit-

» Wed May 11, 2011 1:04 am

Perhaps try disabling Better Music System next time you get these crashes? I think I remember reading something before about it causing CTD on gamesave issues.

» Wed May 11, 2011 1:28 am

If that is so then that should be a note on the BOSS list.

The odd thing is I have used most of these for several weeks. It is only building from the ground up I had this. I have had crashes on saves 2 or 3 times before and could never figure it out with a full list.
Going back several saves would usually find a save to play off of.

I forgot to mention that prior to these attempts I was experiencing lockups after loading a group of mods. Something keeps causing a game lockup upon loading a new batch. I am clicking all the pop ups for new installations for Refscope, Intelligence Overhaul settings, clicking the Done buttons for Duke Patrick's mods, then the game just freezes.

Back to square one.

» Tue May 10, 2011 7:35 pm

Well, for me, it seems to be Weye at the moment, but I really don't expect it to last too long even then....

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Masters for: Save 915 - Tawnay - Kerrach, Level 31, Playing Time 397.42.45.ess00  Oblivion.esm01  underdark.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  VASE - core.esm09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0C  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.7.0]0D  TRoN.esp**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]0E  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.2]0F  DLCShiveringIsles.esp10  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp11  Better Cities .esp12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp13  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp14  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp15  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FranDarkSeducerWeapFix.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]16  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]17  Fran Armor Add-on.esp18  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp19  FranOBSEConfig.esp  [Version 0.5]1A  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]1B  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]1C  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]1D  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp1E  Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp1F  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.1.1]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]20  P1DseeYouSleep.esp21  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.8]22  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.7]23  FormID Finder4.esp24  kuerteeActorDetails.esp25  kuerteeCleanUp.esp26  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]27  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.7.1]28  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp29  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp2A  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp2B  Andragorn_Weapons_Armors.esp++  RustyItems.esp**  Armamentium female.esp2C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]2D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]2E  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]30  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]32  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]33  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]34  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]35  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]36  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]37  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp  [Version 2]++  FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp  [Version 2]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp3C  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp3D  Akaviri Imports.esp3E  Amen'thalas.esp3F  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]40  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp41  LostSwordOfTheAylied - Claymore Add-On.esp42  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp43  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3.2]44  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.4]45  Knights.esp46  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp47  The Lost Spires.esp48  Mighty Umbra.esp49  Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp  [Version 1.4]4A  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp4B  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.1.COBL]4C  MannimarcoComplete.esp4D  MannimarcoRevisited.esp4E  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]4F  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]50  Gah Falquan Umarile.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]51  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]52  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp53  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]54  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]55  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]56  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.0.2]57  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]58  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]59  Moonshadow Elves - Sc.esp5A  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp5B  IDKRRR_C_race.esp5C  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 2.3.2]++  1em_Vilja OOO FCOM Fix.esp5D  Companion Neeshka.esp5E  Sonia.esp5F  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]60  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.7.0]61  Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp  [Version 4.7.0]62  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]63  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.7.0]64  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.7.0]65  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]66  Get Wet - just droplets.esp67  Get Wet.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]68  UnderdarkSaga.esp69  UnderdarkMap.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]6A  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]++  OOO Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.00]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]6B  Bashed Patch, 4.esp

I could play for a couple hours, until I tried to save, then crash.. , disabled Everything except Weye, Underdark & Koren, it saved allright, but as soom as I tried any Overhauls, Crash on save.
Reloaded my entire LO, removed Weye, rebuilt the Patch, it's saving for now, I had Hentia a couple weeks ago and went through the Same ordeal, so... :shrug:

**Well, that made about three more saves and "Froze" on the Save Screen :shakehead:

» Tue May 10, 2011 3:12 pm

If that is so then that should be a note on the BOSS list.

BOSS is not the Load Order Bible, it is more akin to Load Orders for Dummies.

BOSS is not the empirical end-all to load order sorting and issue flagging. For example, the latest masterlist made several changes to the auto-sorting that I personally oppose (DP's Combat Archery being moved to load before the Bashed Patch, for example), so I dispense with them afterwards.

Just try disabling it and see if it helps, it's not that hard to remove one mod from your load order.

» Tue May 10, 2011 11:51 am

I have been saving with it active fine for several saves now but I'm falling asleep so taking a break from this.

The moving about of DP's mods was discussed somewhere before. Something about not needing to be down there anymore or something.

» Tue May 10, 2011 5:19 pm

Aight. If things are back to normal, then keep on playing.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. :violin:

» Tue May 10, 2011 2:26 pm

I got a second wind...I found a mod that may be "a" culprit, Class Advantages.

Every time I load it, the game freezes. I just got a black screen on load. I can hear the music play but can't do anything.

» Wed May 11, 2011 3:38 am

What version of OBSE do you have? CA needs at least OBSE 19, as I recall, possible even the latest Beta.

» Tue May 10, 2011 11:06 pm

What version of OBSE do you have? CA needs at least OBSE 19, as I recall, possible even the latest Beta.

Once stable 19 came out I removed 19.4 beta. I asked in the CA thread and as a side question asked in Tejon's thread what he thought since maybe one of his character start mods may do something.