bout to get a mac with all the bells and whistles…
3.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
16GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x4GB
2TB Serial ATA Drive + 256GB Solid State Drive
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2GB GDDR5

is this good enough to run crysis on the highest level

I don't know if there's a native OS/X version of any Crysis, but you can run at least the first one somewhat competently on WINE.

DO NOT BUY A MAC OR ANYTHING FROM APPLE. <- Words from a Computer Engineer.

/\Rukumo may you explain why not?


i like pc, but info on why is good

MAC computers (and apple hardware in general) are developed as closed systems. Software for Windows or Unix-based platforms is much more "open" to anyone, and their communities are far stronger. Windows in particular, has EVERYTHING you could ever google for, everything is just extremely "tinker-able", customizable, whatever.

MAC hardware also tends to use proprietary BIOSes and is nearly unupgradeable outside new HDDs or more RAM, things of the sort. MAC-specific hardware is a gazillion times more expensive than PC hardware, whether it be parts or entire computers.

It's best to avoid "built" computers altogether, however, and just buy a PC from the ground-up yourself. You save a ton of money, it's damn interesting and it isn't hard to do at all.

You can follow instructions? You can build a PC. The only real issue is finding out which parts to put together (as they must support each other and be balanced in power/features), but there's a ton of information on that on the net.

Bottom line is, as hard as it may be for some to swallow, Apple is for hipsters. Almost every computer scientist/engineer on earth will tell you this cold, hard truth.

.....than from that post, i guess you and me can both agree Windows 8 is gonna svck...
it has a some what close system as well

in downloading things, from what i read.

ether way, I'm just stay with pc

It doesn't, the Windows 8 core remains as open to development as ever.

I hopped onto the test releases and It's just a more optimized, lighter, faster Windows 7 with a pretty Start Menu.

Yup. The METRO interface is just a very pretty (and useful!) Start menu. You can switch to Desktop mode (windows 7-like) at any time, and it is in fact the "core" of the system. Most people will spend all day in Desktop mode: Who spends all day in the Start Menu?

Faster, lighter, more optimized Windows 7. What's not to love?

It doesn't, the Windows 8 core remains as open to development as ever.

I hopped onto the test releases and It's just a more optimized, lighter, faster Windows 7 with a pretty Start Menu.

Yup. The METRO interface is just a very pretty (and useful!) Start menu. You can switch to Desktop mode (windows 7-like) at any time, and it is in fact the "core" of the system. Most people will spend all day in Desktop mode: Who spends all day in the Start Menu?

Faster, lighter, more optimized Windows 7. What's not to love?
from what i have seen, the start menu is that metro right? it works great with touch scene not so much for mouse..
and second thing is how the App store works,

TL;DR Apple is severely overrated and overpriced

The App store is absolutely optional (and I know for one I will NEVER use it). You can even delete the shortcut in METRO and customize it COMPLETELY to whatever buttons you want it to have. For instance, I turned it into my games hub! Remember the Games Explorer from Windows 7? Well I just put really big and pretty icons of my favorite games on Metro!

I have used it extensively and I assure you, it works flawlessly with a mouse. Frankly I shared most of your concerns, but when I actually used it, I was surprised at how well everything worked. Initially I was like "Oh c'mon, touchscreen bullsh**". I still tried it and hell, it works very, very well!

You'll see

@DandelionL2: Yes. It is also severely closed and restricted. And as a company, Apple is OBNOXIOUS. MS might get a lot of hate, but it's Apple that's running the slave/death factories in china, treating their workers like cattle and poisoning them with toxic fumes...

The App store is absolutely optional (and I know for one I will NEVER use it). You can even delete the shortcut in METRO and customize it COMPLETELY to whatever buttons you want it to have. For instance, I turned it into my games hub! Remember the Games Explorer from Windows 7? Well I just put really big and pretty icons of my favorite games on Metro!

I have used it extensively and I assure you, it works flawlessly with a mouse. Frankly I shared most of your concerns, but when I actually used it, I was surprised at how well everything worked. Initially I was like "Oh c'mon, touchscreen bullsh**". I still tried it and hell, it works very, very well!

You'll see

@DandelionL2: Yes. It is also severely closed and restricted. And as a company, Apple is OBNOXIOUS. MS might get a lot of hate, but it's Apple that's running the slave/death factories in china, treating their workers like cattle and poisoning them with toxic fumes...
....the thing is i want the start menu back...i like that
do we still have it? many things i read that its not
that you must use the start menu....also issue like if you close youtube(bring it down) the audio stops.....

that you must use this new feature to drag it to the side thing.
so was it change?

also Windows 8 its possible to become close end with the app store meaning all DL has to be done by that,


i have to read more about it......

also lol Windows have a history of Win then fail then win then fail
by that order 8 is at the fail point lol

AFAIK, it's pretty obvious that youtube's audio would stop if you brought it down (because if I recall correctly, that's CLOSING a program. Like COMPLETELY).

Everything that was in the old Start menu is still in Metro, in a "separate" part it's got to the right side. Everything is there. Don't worry.

Also, what you said about the app store, seriously, no. Don't worry. The app store is the app store and nothing more. Windows is still windows, and 90% of your interaction with it will be done in a desktop, with windows, a taskbar, minimzed programs... All the usual stuff.

Windows 8 can be literally sumed up as a better Windows 7 with a pretty start menu. The fact that it's pretty doesn't mean it lost any of it features (and in fact some became much, much better, such as the resource monitor).



About the win-fail-win-fail cycle, frankly, it was broken with Windows Vista.

The thing with Vista is that it didn't work properly with OLD AS HELL computers because it wasn't as optimized. It did pretty much everything Windows 7 does. And it did it fast, too. It just used more resources, and since a majority of casual users have legacy (read: unreasonably old as hell) machines, the complaints took the Internet by storm.

If you had anything vaguely resembling a half-decent computer, you'd be forgiven for confusing Vista with Seven and vice-versa.

no i mean when you press minimized youtube that it stop it the audio

as i have seen in utube and people complain...but maybe it was change.

.....still i rather wait and see what happen with windows 8, its in dna to lose lol XD
rather wait and see also i wait for some more patches/updates to windows 8 when it comes out
so i can have a smooth ride if windows 8 does well...nothing comes out perfect at first you know what i mean?

You can just ask me for impressions on it when it comes out. I'll be jumping ship day one: As a computer engineering student, Microsoft gifts me almost all of their software, completely for free through their MSDNAA program.

You can just ask me for impressions on it when it comes out. I'll be jumping ship day one: As a computer engineering student, Microsoft gifts me almost all of their software, completely for free through their MSDNAA program.
alright...wait, engineering like programming??
Damn Game designer don't get anything free....


i just hope M$ give us the start menu back as a option since I'm use to it so much.

or wait for a mod lol

Informatics Engineering, my discipline, is the European equivalent (in many countries, not all) of a discipline commonly known as Computer Engineering.

While Informatics Engineering deals with both Computer Software Engineering and Computer Hardware Engineering, you get to choose in which direction you want to lean (only slightly, though).

In short: We deal with both the innards of hardware (electronics, logic designs) and the innards of software (machine code, low level programming, high level programming, O/S programming...)

Alright! Enough off-topic! The bottom line is that everyone should seriously stay the hell away from anything Apple. If you wish to continue discussing Windows or engineering, feel free to create a thread in the Off-topic section or speak to me directly through PM!

^^^ lol oh ok i have not taken that yet
but on topic i agree just cause i cant understand how to use the damn Apple!!

Informatics Engineering, my discipline, is the European equivalent (in many countries, not all) of a discipline commonly known as Computer Engineering.

While Informatics Engineering deals with both Computer Software Engineering and Computer Hardware Engineering, you get to choose in which direction you want to lean (only slightly, though).

In short: We deal with both the innards of hardware (electronics, logic designs) and the innards of software (machine code, low level programming, high level programming, O/S programming...)

Alright! Enough off-topic! The bottom line is that everyone should seriously stay the hell away from anything Apple. If you wish to continue discussing Windows or engineering, feel free to create a thread in the Off-topic section or speak to me directly through PM!
That's exactly what my career is called, in spanish Ingeniería en Informática, not sure why it's simply called Computer Engineering in the US

okay so since you are talking me out of a mac. i was going to get a main gear desktop with pretty much the same stuff inside.. i just want to have a pc that can run whatever game i get at the highest setting.. PC seems to be the way to go since MS and PS are holding out and may not put out like the developers want them to. I heard all the hoopla about the mysterious guy "DaE" telling us whats inside. So if he is to be believed then even though he said 8gigs of ram , the dev kits usually run double the ram. so that means xbox will have 4 gigs of ram. THe Epic guys are quoted at saying 4 gigs would be "okay", but 8 gigs is where they want to be at least.

So why be stuck with and under performing console ( which Im getting all of them anyway) when I can get my own PC to play with the big dogs. IN saying that look at what they do with 256 ram .. I mean the stuff that is coming out looks pretty damn awesome. THe new game from CAPCOM and Splinter Cell BlackList just to name a couple.. SHeesh I bet they could blow our minds with 1 or 2 gigs! AS a gamer I cannot be left out of the loop. Ive never played any games on PC but from a lot of research and just the word on the street Ive been missing out big time. SOOOO its time to Upgrade .. I want to see Crysis 3 on it s highest setting and im willing to spend 4000 dollars if I have to

You don't need to spend 4000 dollars brah.

If what you want is to max out Crysis 3, how about this: We wait until the game is released and then I make a PC rig configuration (you know, a list of the parts needed) and post it here in the Crysis 3 forums as THE RIG TO RUN CRYSIS 3!

because i want to play it the day it comes out.. Im trying to get ready now. well everytime I customize a PC it always ends up around that price..

maybe because I keep clicking on the the most exspensive item in each slot..lol.. You can tell I dont know what Im doing. I figure if I just add the most exspensive stuff to the list Ill have a rig that can handle any game on any setting

Jesus, 4000 dollars? No way man. Less than 2K USD fo' sho'. You'll see.

Thing is, we have no idea what sort of ultra-uber advanced features Crysis 3 will have, so we have absolutely no way to guarantee that you'll be able to play at absolute max settings. Almost max? Surely. But I can't do max. Simply because we don't know what "max" entails with Crysis 3. It ain't even out!

you make a good point.. so ill be lookin for you on here to show me what Im gonna need. AS you know money aint an issue

I think 1500 dollars can buy a very good mid/high end pc than can max Crysis 3 easily

if you cant build a pc
you can ether just save money until you have 3K (you only need like 2K but if you want some more things it can come in handing)

or go to dell and build an alienware.... and pay it off slowly


Better to build but if you cant
you cant