Why ppl call the CE pay to win, the imp race for me seem boring as they just another human, they might get flashy spells but be like a dk(death knight) in wrath don't bet on it.

The mount? Can't anyone buy a mount in game?

The mini pet well most CE offer one.

Armor crafting 1 skin/look.

Though not geting a CE, it just seems as a Ty to the ppl buying the CE to support the game, other games like GW2 offered an elite skill with their CE no one cried its p2w/day one dlc.... Rift gave CE owners two 8gb USB pen drives a few pets mount and enchant stones maybe a few others don't remember.

I am mostly appealed by the fact with it...you can play any alliance with any race. While I get why they restricted them for story reason...I don't like being forced into option like specially on an Elder Scrolls game.

The only way I could see it as Pay to Win, is if it takes a considerable amount of gold to buy a horse(like in vanilla WoW), because then you are basically just paying for gold. If horses are fairly cheap, then no an exclusive mount is not P2W.

Then there are the experience boosting rings, which just scream P2W to me... because you are literally paying more to level faster. Players who enjoy going for server/world firsts are basically forced to buy this.

As for the Imperial race, no that is not P2W, it just seems very wrong from the point of view of an Elder Scrolls fan (Imagine if your favorite race required you to pay extra in order to play). MMO fans probably have less of an issue with it.

they'll be here to tell you shortly, as if there weren't another hundred threads on this

All that stuff is fine, but I'm just looking for the opportunity to practice bow's long shots. Own you from across the map by carefully calculating the range to descend ratio of arrows.

Because drama.

People have their own viewpoints on what ESO should be; when the devs do something they don't agree with, they post about it.

They've said the horse is a horse; instead of being brown or black or paint/spotted, its white. It isn't faster, it isn't stronger, it is colored white. You might get it sooner, but it isn't anything super special spectacular.

Mara's Rings; I don't think the only way to get those will be in the ce edition. If someone really wants the bragging rights that badly, there will probably be a way to do it.

Will players be able to have romances and marry each other in the game?

The Elder Scrolls Online does have a mechanic to strengthen bonds between adventurers, but this is not necessarily romance or marriage. Two players can perform a ceremony and receive rings from it. If they wear those rings while adventuring together later, they will also gain bonus experience.

Not that it matters to people who know the ce means pay to win, but that was posted before the announcement, and it doesn't say that only people who bought the ce can perform the ceremony and get the rings.

Don't see exp boost as p2w other wise WoW is p2w RaF offers insane exp boost and teleport, and with WoD you get instant lvl 90.

When I played WoW RaF couldn't be used at higher levels, and they never had instant 90... I quit before Pandaland so yeah.

I honestly am not sure if P2W has a technical definition, but to me, P2W = in game advantage, which xp boost and free mount both qualify for, regardless of how minor an advantage.

Now neither of these things really bother me, and certainly won't stop me from playing the game, I just don't agree that they should be part of a Collector's Edition.

For me horse is a pay to win item,it can hurt but need to be serious about that because i dont like that. I know thé game and having a horse before other give more chance to win .I cant said more.
New race or items dont hurt me it is ok but i CAN understand ppl are enervated to not havé all choice at start to make a good pvp character (racial bonus).
I think player rage are legitims évén if some are demesurated it proove they like thé game and there is a problem with that preorder launch. Nobody want a pay to win game.

why is it ( the horse) pay to win? because it is a different color?

This one I don't legitimately understand

P2W doesn't actually mean pay to win the game, it means that you pay to advance.. like buying items that would help you in combat even though there are better items in game later on.
The Imperial Race can be considered p2w, they might actually end up being complete OP at something compared to other classes, however I doubt it.
The mount, well, the mount isn't gonna be free in game.. it's gonna cost in game currency. Since it's in game currency then someone with the CE will have gotten the chance to spend their gold/septims on items while I need to save all my gold/septims to buy the mount. Indirectly making it p2w.

And comparing to what others have done in the past doesn't justify it being right or wrong.
Actually had a huge discussion, just yesterday, regarding bullfighting where as the "defender" argued that it's a long tradition in their country, whereas I still think it's [censored] cruel. Nothing, absolutely Nothing, can be justified using the argument "but it's been so in the past", it's just not a valid argument because then we still would be having slaves for example.
Edit: However, it explains your confusion when comparing to your past experiences.

I believe that once you play the game, this is all going to seem rather trivial.

most things do in small enough batches.. hence why people refer to the boiling frog syndrome.

Simple. Horses cost gold in game. Technically, this equates to paying for gold ;p I mean if its an easy amount of gold to acquire, then it wont really be a big deal. But mounts in WoW were very expensive and some players took a very long time to save up that much gold. Having a free mount in this case is a great advantage.

But we don't know how cheap / expensive horses are, so isn't it just kind of mindless ranting?

Obviously we don't "know" and even if I did I wouldn't be allowed by the NDA.. (if you know what I mean)

I have no idea. Some people think the wording might mean the horse is faster than normal. Which would explicitly be p2w with how Cyrodiil seemingly works, but that could easily just be misused terminology.

As far as I am concerned, so long as anything that can be payed to get, can be obtained in game through effort, I won't care. However if I am locked out of content* while already paying a subscription, I won't like it at all. I despise the f2p p2w models.

*which I define as anything that is a part of the game, apparently definitions about this are arbitrary as [censored]. Expansions are an exception and necessary part of the whole model which I have no problem with.