It's also stupid to compare a modded game with an un-modded one.
The CK isn't even out yet. Usually it takes years for a TES game to reach its full potential.

They saved a good chunk of change by re-using some of the Morrowind music they already paid for!

To me, instead of being this wide open world, Skyrim feels more like a series of corridors for most of the map. Yeah, the walls are painted to look like mountains, but there's really only way path to take to get from point A to point B for much of it. Instead of a wide open world, it plays a lot like a series of rooms off a hotel hallway ... walk a bit and -wow!- a cave ... a fort ... a whatever, very few of which have anything to do with each other. It feels more like a chain of staged combat sets than a world, but that may be because it's so empty.

It's a shame folk cannot learn to ignore.

if Daggerfall 2.0 came out I would be thrilled (to scale I might add)

Saying any game is better than another is a purely subjective opinion, period, end of thread. Can we move on now?

Admittedly, the "Morrowind vs. X,Y,Z" does get tiresome, but if the old is completely forgotten, then the new cannot be faithful to it or borrow from it.

Never mind.

I think probably 75% of the people posting here about how Morrowind is better simply haven't played it in years and are mainly nostalgic.

Play it today, even with mods that add NPC schedules and a bunch of other modern conveniences, and still you can see the game lacked in major ways, very sterile environment. There were games from around that time that did a much more "alive" world, albeit usually smaller..Gothic as an example.

I do agree that the story and artwork were inspired, it was also nice to have so many different options for character appearance. Other than that though it was pretty bad in some areas

Oh look a person complaining because that always starts nice polite chats and no fights at all, People like both games to be honest I like morrowind more on some points then skyrim and I like skyrim more on some points more then morrowind people can say they morrowind is better it doesnt mean you need to waste yours and our time by starting a pointless thread about how you are sick of people saying it's better.

No, not second to Morrowind, better than Morrowind... as an RPG with RPG mechanics taken only into consideration, better than Morrowind by far. I'm not sure what you mean by "way to outdated", but weren't you the one chiding preference of graphics over substance and depth a few moments ago? There's no doubt, Daggerfall is a far deeper and more complex RPG with more role-playing tools at its disposal than any of its contemporary TES titles. Morrowind is simplistic child's play with a clear "teen-rated" focus in its gameworld in comparison.

Oh no... no no no. Gothic is a poor mans TES.

I'm getting your points guys but still: There will never be a second Morrowind. There's no need to compare these two all the time!

No it wasn't, it wasn't even trying to be. However it did alot better job of having that feel of a living, breathing world than Morrowind did, IMO.

100% agree with OP

even if it was exactly the same as morrowind they would still complain > "why didnt they improve on morrowind???"

the morowind comparison threads are so lame and really should be kept in the morrowind forum so they can all talk about how good it is and how great they all are for loving it.


all i can say is this is skyrim > not anything else GET USED TO IT OR MOVE ON!!

Skyrim is more of a blank canvass if anything.

I did indeed give Morrowind the edge, because of graphic improvement. Why? Because Morrowind's story itself was epic and the graphics went hand-in-hand with one another. Daggerfall was, and still is great, but when Morrowind finally brought TES back, it made everyone step back and say "Whoa".

Morrowinds story was great and the graphic improvement made it that much more epic. Call me a hypocrite if you will for saying the same about Morrowind and Skyrim, but the difference is Skyrim's storyline isn't better than Morrowinds.

So would you like to see the same storyline?

No

Gothic series up too Gothic 4 (& 3 in some ways) are still A LOT better then Skyrim and Oblivion and even MW in many aspects.

Cities felt like a city not like the ones currently in Skyrim or Oblivion or Fo3 has 15NPC walking about and many more inside buildings.

Fights were actually dangerous you can go everywhere every moment you need to wait and build up for that area Gothic 2 go try to kill a orc with farmer's armor.

I could go on but ya Gothic 1-3 are better then TES 3-5 it wasn't as popular as TES is and still isn't Risen 2 at least I am hoping to be decent along the lines of such Gothic titles but I won't know until it has full coverage.

Yeah, let me continue to be the Nerevar 205 years later, that would be [censored] EPIC.

:ph34r:

I call on the hypocrite statement, then. The extensiveness of Daggerfall's reputation system, the sheer quantity of possibilities within Daggerfall's character creation system, the attention to general world detail and scope (holidays, seasons... actually moving NPCs), the atmosphere (Morrowind's music has two modes, combat and everything else... including happy-go-lucky music in Morrowind's relatively inviting, cheerful dungeons while Daggerfall invokes unique soundtracks for a variety of different situations and just sets a far more relevant atmosphere for just about anything going on at any given time; Daggerfall's dungeon noises simply cannot be beat), and you know what, even the plot surpass Morrowind's. Morrowind had some more interesting lore within its books on the history behind the Tribunal, the cursing of the Dunmer, and the Heart of Lorkhan, but its actually story was a linear, uninspiring chain of fetch quests while Daggerfall's had something Morrowind's completely lacked... choice and tangible involvement within the political machinations of the Iliac Bay. Morrowind sure does provide some more exotic background and general setting, but the game, as an RPG and as a "realistic" game aimed at mature, non handheld gameplay, is simply not up to Daggerfall's ambition. If that means the shunning of fully polygonal 3D graphics to enjoy, so be it, but yes, it's hypocritical.

After all these days of Skyrim I'm not even sure if there is a story. I never went slay any dragon. Morrowind, has a better sense of story, despite all its other flaws.

Your statement about Morrowind is silly.

I prefer Morrowinds story because there is less of a sense of urgency when you ignore the main quest a bit. In Skyrim to really play it you have to basically ignore the main quest despite that it should be THE most important thing you need to do RIGHT NOW. Yea yea dragon blah blah, I need to go find some guys hat!

That being said though thats not the big deal with Morrowind. Morrowind's strength is that its a pure fantasy world, with silt striders, and mushroom trees, floating rocks (long before Avatar), and your house isn't bought, it grows, and angry Gods. Oblivion was like a walk in the woods, and Skyrim is a walk in the rocky mountains early winter. They are well done but I've SEEN everything in RL that I've seen in Skyrim. Skyrims story is fine and it has some good quests and side quests, but the world is like 'generic fantasy world #342'.

And still ya, Daggerfall was even better for story than both.

I don't like Morrowind better for its rpg elements. I like it better for its sense of exploration and atmosphere. The story was also much better and all the guilds felt solid if not amazing. The world felt so much more lived in and rich in history.

I know my reasons aren't for everyone, but they are why I personally fell in love with TES in the first place. Over everything else exploring, adventure, and a sense of plausibility are my favorite things in a game like this.

Skyrim is lacking a little in all the above, but less so than Oblivion. I do enjoy Skyrim for what it is.

Eh... I guess I worded that wrong. I'll agree Gothic 1-3 were pretty enjoyable but different than the TES series. Towns did feel like towns, but there were less of them and the game had an ending and you could not continue playing side-quests afterward(this is what I enjoy a lot about the TES series) I won't even get into IV though because that game is a complete albatross. Risen was pretty epic too. I do like those games.

Yes people, cease to be critical, just accept what unfaillible Bethesda does without thinking. Who cares if a 2011 game has less complexity, faction depth, worse writing and even more bizzare design decisions than a 2001 one, we have the graphics and awesum dragons!

Also, about Daggerfall, there was too much random generation (not to mention bugs) to make that game enjoyable. Yeah, land was twice the size of Britain and all, but it was almost only populated by random, pointless NPCs and dungeons. Morrowind strove a good balance between fixed and randomly generated worlds, something recent Elder Scrolls games have failed to do.

No, no shutting up here.

I don't know who these people think they are who complain about Skyrim... but I'll say this I would not stop if I saw them crossing the street :biggrin: