Well, since it was annexed before the war to fight 'China', it kinda is

note: this is a debate, so opinions are allowed, but no short-line non sense

I don't understand the point of the discussion. That first quote just proves it. It was the 51st state.

Not really short line nonsense, but this topic is barely up for discussion.

No, its just occupied territory, not a state.

There is a difference between the two.

If your just finding out about Canada being annexed by America from FO3 you should watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBNKa2KXZE

I believe you answered your question.

We don't know how the Feds re-organized Canada to incorporate it into the Union. I doubt they would make it one State, it would be bigger than the rest of the country. Canada has ten provinces, most likely the Federal Government in Ottawa would be dissolved and the old provincial boundaries would be used to create ten Territories each controlled by a Territorial Government appointed by Washington...with the eventual goal of making them States once they got enough Canadians to accept US rule so they could let them govern themselves at a State level. Of course the War put paid to that, it would have taken decades to totally squash resistance. Or perhaps they would merge several Provinces into one of 2-3 of them Commonwealth things that apparently replaced States near the end.

That never happened. That info about America becoming commonwealths, the states being joined into groups was from a cancelled table top game that J.E Sawyer was working on. Its not canon.

They'd probably individually admit the provinces into states. Canadian territories would probably just become US territories.

I wouldn't say that it was a state. Rather a colony. Doesn't the US have 57 states(yes i know there are 50 but there are others)?

America has 50 states, it also has territories not colonies.

50 States plus a number of Territories, only one of which...Puerto Rico...is likely to ever become a State. A Occupied Canada is far to large to be Administered as one body....they'd split it into parts, ideally parts that could be manipulated into squabbling with each other. The most logical way is to use the existing Provincial boundaries, but admitting all 10 Provinces as States would eventually create a powerful political Bloc on the Hill with 20 Senators and as many as 50 House Reps, all elected by people unhappy with being press-ganged into the US. They might merge provinces to create 2-5 Territories that wouldn't give the Canucks as much muscle in the Senate if Admitted as States. Canada is a First World nation, making it a colony under military rule forever wouldn't be politically feasible.

57 states was a joke from a politician about how much campaigning he'd done.

In addition to the territories, there's places like the Northern Marinara Islands, which has a complicated situation - its not a state, its "in poltiical Union" with the USA - perhaps canada could be something similar.

Exactly Canada would be split up into several states. They get better representation in the government if they do so.

The commonwealths are canon, in New Vegas, look at ED-E, it says "Great Midwest, llinois" on the lisense plate. It also says "Southwest, Nevada 2052" on the Bumper Swords.
The Great Midwest and Southwest are 2 of the 13 commonwealths.
In Fallout 3, the flag by the lunar lander has 12 stars in a circle, with one in the middle. This shows the 13 commonwealths were created sometime between 1945 and 1969.

Also, the idea of the commonwealths was briefly thought of in Fallout 1's development, but was never really expanded until the tabletop game Josh worked on.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/United_States_of_America#Behind_the_scenes

It was hardly a joke....it's one of the many stupid things Obama has said when he speaks separated from his teleprompter.


Canada was a independent nation, and a First World country to boot....Washington couldn't rule it as a colony like they do the Marianas or Guam. Eventual Statehood would be the only viable way to co-opt them into the system. They might also throw in some forced population transfers (moving some Canadians South and Americans North) to make it easier to incorporate the former Canadian provinces into the US.

Stay away from the politics. The mods are heavy on that stuff.

Perhaps in the long term, but the annexation of canada was far too short for that. A Puppet "Canadian" administration in union with the US cowtowing to the US's every whim and with no real power helps create the air of legitamacy.

They're no states in the Fallout Universe. They are known as commonwealths. I believe that Canada was the 14th one.

We conquered and annexed Canada.....a puppet Canadian government would serve no purpose except to give the Canucks hope they would recover thier Independence someday if they held out and resisted long enough. The War Department would not be thrilled with running what was Canada while managing the war with China and would be pressing for some sort of political solution. The long term goal would be to incorporate what was Canada into the US so the Federal Government did not have to directly rule it. If the Commonwealths were the replacement for the States, they could split up Canada into several of them in a manner calculated to set them against each other....say three Commonwealths centered on Quebec, Ontario and British Colombia. The War interrupted things before they got very far, of course. In 2077 Canada was probably split up into several Military Districts...that one day would be the boundaries for the Commonwealths which would be formed when the inhabitants were granted self-governance again...each under Martial Law and ruled by a Military Governor (a Active Duty Army General) installed by Washington. Order would be maintained by MPs backed up by garrisons of combat troops. In some areas Canadian police forces and Courts might be allowed to operate under close supervision from the Army, in others they would be disbanded and thier officers sent home.

This is a moot point, The US in the Fallout Universe stopped using states and reorganized it's territory into commonwealths.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090429205036/fallout/images/thumb/c/c4/Fo_General_US_Commonwealths_Rev.png/400px-Fo_General_US_Commonwealths_Rev.png.

"entering the bunker, and heading to the mess" 50 states, we have not had 50 states in about......well, it has been commonwealths as long as i can remember from what i was taught, and i would certainly believe if America had survived the war, Canada would have been divided up into more commonwealths, or added to northern commonwealths maybe, who knows? All i do is the commonwealths now are a pointless old concept, old land boundaries kept alive by old signs, they are all wastelands now. Maybe someday they will come back, in some form or another, who will know. Right now i know i am hungry, after combing ruins.

(Sorry to say, i have to go with the commonwealth Theory as Canon as well, it is corroborated on several sources, backed up and seen by several people, i even looked at ED-E carefully, and they were right.)

Well it may have been when it was annexed but since the war the USA doesnt exist as in either united or states so no longer would it be, it would another area of land with people surviving on it that was once Canada. A far as you can tell the military controlled Canada and it was probably under martial law since im positive the canadians wouldnt have been to happy about being taken over by the US but then again who would.

Well, the states still existed, they were joined into commonwealths but it doesn't mean that the lower level of government was entirely dissolved.

Actually, the 13 commonwealths most likely *is* canon, since if you look at the pre-war US flag in the http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/b/bc/Flagnarmor.gif and the http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/e/e3/Virgo_II_Lander_from_Museum_of_Technology.jpeg in Fallout 3 you can see 13 stars (well, only a few of them in the first pic) surrounding one large star representing the Federal Government. Similarly, the Enclave logo in Fallout 3 is 13 stars around an E.

Yes, in 2077 what was Canada would have been under Martial Law.....and by the time the Fallout games begin the US and Canada are merely fading memories....but the question here is what would Washington be trying to do with Canada once it was conquered? The rabidly nationalist Federal Government...if not destroyed in the Great War...would never have let Canada go again, there must have been a plan of some sort.