Canada got the Shaft.

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:22 am

Hence why a lot of people are really angry at this.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:48 am

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/jasonsteele/Everything%20Else/CheapalternativetoInternet.jpg?t=1296589938

Gotta love it.

This is highway robbery, period!
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:14 am

Understatement of the year wolf. Thankfully this didn't slip under the radar like Bell was hoping. NDP and Liberals to oppose them, and I'm sure many more groups as well. This news screwed up the nice day of writing I was planning, had to help get the word out.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:28 am

Anyone have an idea as to the impact of something like regular Netflix (video) streaming for your television? I don't have it, but it does make me curious how much bandwidth it eats up.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:39 pm

Anyone have an idea as to the impact of something like regular Netflix (video) streaming for your television? I don't have it, but it does make me curious how much bandwidth it eats up.


I forget where I read it but it was said 4GB is about your average HD content download for Netflix. So, 6 movies a month for a 25GB capped line. Forget surfing, emails, and most anything else though.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:36 am

Average non-HD movie on Netflix is 1-1.5GB. You get 25/GB a month. Factor in youtube, facebook, movies, music, games, downloads, every web page you ever visit, netflix, and any other large downloads and it adds up incredibly fast. This is the dawn of an age where we start making use of these allotments of bandwidth, if they strangle it now we have no idea of the services we could be losing out on. I know a game on Steam can be anywhere from 10-20 GB alone! Then depending on your ISP if you go over your limit it's anywhere from $1-2+ per GB.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:47 am

Understatement of the year wolf. Thankfully this didn't slip under the radar like Bell was hoping. NDP and Liberals to oppose them, and I'm sure many more groups as well. This news screwed up the nice day of writing I was planning, had to help get the word out.

NDP can be trusted. Liberals just go where the wind blows. Once in power they will not do anything. They promised to kill the GST. They didn't They promised for better health care and education. They took away from it. So I do not see the Liberals do anthing about this, since once in Power, Companies like Bell, and Rogers will just line up their coffers to make sure this doesn't happen. You really think a person who... getting off topic here.

Basically nothing will change unless we go to the streets like in Egypt. But then again, we as Canadians, will just complain and cry and moan, and not do anything about it. We can't be bothered to go on mass and protest like they do in Europe and other countries.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:40 am

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011/02/01/internet-usage-based-billing-clement.html

The federal government will decide by March 1 whether to reject a CRTC decision on usage-based internet billing, after Prime Minister Stephen Harper requested a review.


Harper's communications director, Dimitri Soudas, confirmed the review Tuesday, saying the government was "very concerned" about the impact of the CRTC ruling on consumers.


*coughhackspringelectionscoughweeze*
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:06 am

Is this already going on in The United States?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:32 am

I'm not going to let this happen, at least not without some sort of fight. First step, pester local MP.


Thanks for the reminder.

Noy only do you hassle your local MP, you hassle everyone they are going to have to hassle
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:47 am

Is this already going on in The United States?

I get unlimited internet use for 50 a month. It may depending on your service but I'm not sure. I just know it isn't affecting me or any of my friends and family.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:41 am

Wow. German has found a nice term for people who make this kind of decision. Internetausdrucker. "He who prints out the internet", translated literally. Lacking this in my native language is bad!

Anyhoot, Canada always seemed so advanced. Like Scandinavia. Pity stuff like this happens... :meh:
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:01 am

OP, one thing to consider is, if you have an "Unlimited" data plan on your cellphone, is look into tethering your phone to your PC. The speeds won't be great, and it'll get throttled once you go over the soft cap (it's "unlimited" but almost all carriers have a soft cap number after which they throttle your traffic), but it may be an overall good idea to boost your overall cap number if you have no other alternatives.

I fail to understand how data has any wear & tear factor on the Internet.

Yeah, if everyone's using it, you have to expand services, but volume of data should matter not once the hardware is in place. People pay for the quality of service (speed) they get. Volume of data makes little sense if the company is turning a profit by having the service in place.

maintaining a high QoS on a large network is a LOT of work and not cheap. Lines are constantly getting damaged in one way or another, something gets fried, a node goes down, a DNS server goes on the fritz, etc. You could go on all day about problems that occur all too frequently on a large network. the actual transmission of data doesn't do much, but maintaining the ability for the data to transmit is quite taxing.

That said, this is not the proper way to fund and prepare for expansion or upgrading existing infrastructure. It's a step backwards, not forwards.

Is this already going on in The United States?

Some places with certain ISPs do have bandwidth caps to varying degrees.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:17 am

what is the average internet usage of canadians? i thought you guys just looked up lake info for fishing and hunting season schedules.


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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:17 am

Who even downloads that much a month?
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:50 pm

I'm not going to let this happen, at least not without some sort of fight. First step, pester local MP.


I'm with you, first they tax our tea, and now our internet??!! I say, cyber revolution !! :tongue:
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:25 am

Who even downloads that much a month?

It's very easy to download that much in a month.

A game demo is a gibibyte or so, an SD movie about the same. Throw in HD movies/tv series for a 4+ GiBs. Just doing that twice a week would completely deplete your limit.

Watch a couple of youtube videos and just do a bit of browsing and that'll eat up another GiB a day, so just doing that every day in a month means you'd go over a 25 GiB limit by 5 or so GiBs.

Oh, and sharing your Internet with a roomate/family? Then all the sooner your bandwidth goes bye-bye.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:51 am

Well we get capped. We get 60GB. 30 on peak 30 off peak. $15 for 20GB if you want a top up. They don't charge if we go over the limit either, we just get the speed lowered to dial up speed. Its not bad but man oh man I would give so much for unlimited Internet. You Americans and Europeans are spoiled rotten.

See if your exchange has http://www.tpg.com.au/ hardware in it. If it does, that unlimited plan does the job nicely :nod:. For us, there was some downtime (dropping out for a while) when we first switched, but it seems to have more or less stabilised now.

Who even downloads that much a month?

Oblivion is over 5GiB downloaded through Steam, as are HL2, Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, STALKER:SoC, and Bioshock (close to 7GiB, actually). The iso for a GNU/Linux distro is generally around 4GiB. A half-hour show on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_iView is 130MiB. A single Youtube vid can easily be 10Mib (even averaging just one per day, that's ~300MiB a month). The list goes on.

EDIT: Fixed a tag.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:16 am

They're only getting away with it because theres not alot of lawyers and policy makers who are well versed int he area of technology, the internet, and engineering..

Mabey this bandwidth cap can help save our economy and curb global warming. We should try it, we might like it.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:48 am

They're only getting away with it because theres not alot of lawyers and policy makers who are well versed int he area of technology, the internet, and engineering..

Mabey this bandwidth cap can help save our economy and curb global warming. We should try it, we might like it.


You can curb global warming by not leaving on light switches.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:18 am

They're only getting away with it because theres not alot of lawyers and policy makers who are well versed int he area of technology, the internet, and engineering..

Mabey this bandwidth cap can help save our economy and curb global warming. We should try it, we might like it.

It'll cure your bedroom problems, too.
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Without internet to distract you, you'll finally find time enough to tidy it up and paint it a nicer colour.


EDIT: Tags, again :rolleyes:.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:53 pm

Well there going to get away with it if we decide to just roll over. I urge all the Canadians here to please go and spread the word on at least one of the two petitions. I think that is the minimum thing that can be done here. Even if you don't want to sign it, just let others know it exists.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:43 am

Hehe, they tried to censor the internet here in Australia.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:35 am

Hehe, they tried to censor the internet here in Australia.

I thought they were (to some degree) still trying?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:40 am

I thought they were (to some degree) still trying?

They scrapped the plan, due to the fact that when they test ran it music lyrics sites were blocked for obscene language, Medical sites were banned due to images of naked people, so they aren't still trying
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