i just dont see it. heres what actually happened "can we have our country back please?" says the canadian freedom fighter "no" says the u.s president "ok" says the freedom fighter. rebellion over.

I'm Canadian and I fully agree with you.

A heads up though, try not involve any politics in this thread as it'll shut down pretty fast.

Not saying you did just yet, but it has the potential for political under tones.

Being annexed into the US would be a fate worse than death for most Canucks....I would expect a ferocious insurgency against US rule, and after the bombs fell any Americans caught North of the border (and Canadians who collaborated) would be summarily shot by the Resistance.

America started taking over Canada long before they just came out and annexed us. They made a deal with Canada. The deal was if they let themselves be annexed, Canada would then get a share of what was left of the oil and other resources. American troops and American companies just went into Canada and started taking whatever they wanted for years, before the annexation agreement was made.

There is even lore about the Canucks fighting back....remember the newsreel footage of a couple of GIs in T-51b executing a Canuck "rebel" from, I believe, Fallout 1? The city appeared to be rubble, too. Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg and Vancouver were probably ruins even before the bombs fell.

Canada wasnt Annex, it was invaded and taken over by the U.S.
Annex was just the neat little word the U.S. used to show the world that American was the good guys

i feel kinda bad for them "in the fallout universe" from what i know there wasnt even a real rebellion, the U.S. just walked in and said "This land is ours now does anyone got a problem with it?"

Why would they oppose the annexation? It's not like the Americans were Nazi oppressors. "Oh but we saw two Canadians getting executed in Fallout 1."
Wasn't one of the precidents to the US's annexation that Canadian radicals had bombed US Pipelines in protest against US Troops moving through the area to Anchorage? Those two guys could have been bombing school buses for all we know. It worked in Canada's favour for the most part, firstly it was only in their own interests in the first place to let the American's beat the Chinese - whom would have been do polite about not invading Canada to get to America right? - and second they got 10% of the Oil from the region - which was probably more than anywhere else at the time.

So no the Americans didn't just "waltz in", Canada were being [censored]es about not wanting to be seen as American allies by allowing their troops and planes through to Alaska, Canadian terrorists bombed the US Pipelines - making all those deaths in the 10 year occupation more and more pointless btw - and the Americans got fed up but still tried to toss them Canadians a bone to try and ease over the whole terrorism thing.

All it has in the intro is, "Our boys keep the peace in newly annexed canada", as a newsreell, with happy looking power armoured U.S. soldier executing an unarmed civilian in the street, dont see anything other than, or any details, other than what you see, to hard to make this a real discussion because as Mikedzines said it can easily turn into a political discussion.

I'm a Canadian and I completely disagree.

You want to know why it's called the White House, cause in 1812 we [censored] burnt it down. You guy's white washed it to hide your shame.

Don't insult my country. This thread is gonna get locked soon.

EDIT: @The Enclave, that oil, was more than likely Canadian Oil from Alberta. Its a damn shame that the Canadian Government right now are a bunch of push overs.

Actually the British burnt it down and it was 1814. If I'm not mistaken it was due to Harrison burning down York (now Toronto)

And it was finished in 1800 already white, so it was appropriately named 14 years prior to its burning.

I suggest you don't insult another country with false facts and then saying don't insult my country.

I think it should also be noted that another Canadian said this not an American, so your statement was rather uncalled for.

I'm a little confused as to if his remark was targeted at me (another Canadian) or the OP who is from an undeclared location.

I only agreed because Fallout uses satirical comedy a lot. Especially with the vault boy. It makes more sense to have a stereotypical Canadian than some freedom fighter from the 1800's as most of the information about the fallout world diverged more or less after World War 2.

He quoted you, a Canadian, so it appears he is lashing out about America where it didn't seem fit. No offense to you if that's what you thought.

When I said 1812 I meant the War of 1812. And what I said is not false, it was burnt down, by us, and then white washed. And renamed.

Saying the British burnt it down is a little silly as well since technically we were British at the time but we were Canadians. It was Canadian soldiers who attacked Washington and burnt it down. It's not a false fact.

My statement wasn't uncalled for and I do believe the location fo said person was nto stated. I had no idea he was Canadian. As well if I insulted America, there would be Americans on my ass for it. This is why political discussion isn't allowed here, it get's heated rather quickly.

@Mike, my comment was not directed at you.

We could just say tie. Canadians could have burned it, but the people referred to it as the white house since 1800, and Teddy Roosevelt made it official in 1901 not 1814/15, so it wasn't "white washed". They just cleaned soot off of white walls.

They were calling it the "White House" as early as 1811....that and "Presidential Mansion" or "Executive Mansion" have been used at various times as well.

Actually, Washington was burned by English and Scottish Regiments fresh from service against Napoleon, and Royal Marine units made up of freed slaves. To say the Canadians did it is like saying Finland took Paris in 1815 because it was part of the Russian empire at the time.

We did sack Toronto and set it on fire, though.

So a couple people bomb a pipline that could have been miles away from any people, and thats justification to invade Canada, bomb it's cities and kill its people? What right does America have to fly though our airspace and use our land? They could simply fly out over the Ocean and into Alaska, going around British Columbia. America burned its bridges with the world in the times leading up to the great war. I can imagine they burned away any good will with Canada, before they started lockstepping all over it. Normally Canada is the first country to be right by America's side in times of war and crisis. So for Canada not to support America in the war against China. I can only imagine how much of an ass America was to Canada for us to not want to help.

Also we have more then Fallout's intro of American PA troops killing Canadians. We also have Randall Clark's description: "Canada wasn't scary, just sickening, the criminality of it."

No i singularly chose that peice of information since its a good example of the happy troops executing a canadian civilian, i just didnt want to elaborate so as not to make any comments that i wished to make to further the debate, that could be seen against policy, and get this thread closed, so easier to just shut up.

Still a terrorist act. Countries have been invaded for much lass than that.

It's also important to note that the president was unanimously impeached immediately afterwards for "jaywalking." Not that it really made a difference, but it did show just how much everybody else disagreed with his actions.

Yet Canada wasn't 'unanexed' and given back their country.

Not really. Countries get invaded for acts of war, such as assassination, military incursions, sinking of ships and so on. A couple of people that went out and bombed a section of pipeline that could have been miles away from anyone isn't an act of war. It isn't justification to bomb entire cities and kill thousands of people.

A very minor attack like that is not justification.

The attack took place after America already started its invation of Canada.

What about WWI a Guy got shot and it started. Sure there were other things, but there is also other things for the resource wars. Or troy, that was over one woman.

That's why I included assassination as one of the things that counts as acts of war.

We don't know the real reason for the Trogan Wars.

That depends what you consider a terrorist act. Candians bombed a Canadian Pipline on Canadian Soil. It had nothing too do with America. They wanted their country to act independently from another nation, not be pushed around by America. If an American did such a thing as an act against an aggressor, he wouldn't be terrorist he'd be a hero.



There were actually multiple causes to WW1.

1. The British Empire and Germany were caught up in an arms race. Germany was a new nation having only been around for about 30 years, they wanted to compete on the international scene adn to do thsi they needed to stick out. So they built a navy to challenge the British Empire. Thsi caused tensions to flare between the two as tehy both started to build Dreadnoughts and eventually build Super Dreadnoughts to try to show which country was better. This ties into teh next point.

2. Nationalism and Imperialism. Both countries thought they were the best, there was alot of pride. They thought no one could defeat them, they both desired an empire and its hard for everyone to have an empire. Thsi caused more tensions.

3. Instability in the Balkans. During the times leading up to WWI, the Austro Hungarian Empire was being torn apart because of nationalism. Its Empire was made up of many different enthnicites. Each one wanted to break away and form its own nation. The Balkans was a powder keg just waiting to be set off. A terrorist organisation known as The Black Hand, lit the fuse by assasinating Arch-Duke Franz Ferdinand and shooting his wife Sophia.

4. Alliances, after his assasination, the Austro-Hungarian Empire sent an ultimatum to Serbia basially saying they had to give up their sovereignty, under the pretext of finding and destroying the Black Hand. Serbia of course, refused. The Austro Hungarian Empire declared war. Serbia called on Russia, an ally to defend it, Russia called on France. And so war began.

The Austro Hungarian Empire called upon Germany. Germany enters the war. They used the Schlieffen Plan which was to attack France quickly through Belgium, and then use railroads to quickly go back adn defeat Russia. All should have gone well except that the Belgians called on Britain, an ally to defend them. They jumped at the chance because they wanted to put Germany who was building a navy in their place. And so the real war begins.

*It should also be noted that Russia only allied with Serbia because they wanted to take over parts of the Balkans with access to the Mediterranean. That way they could sail their navy out ot teh oceans and start to establish their dominance.

I cannot comment about Troy, as it has been stated we really know nothign about Troy or what really happened during the Trojan War.



At the time to be Candian was to be British, so that is pretty much what I'm saying. To say thye were fresh from service in Europe I don't knwo if that is actually true. I do know that there were 14,000 Canadian Milita involved in the war and that their were some present when we burnt down your treasury, your "White House", and the Capitol Building.

Acttually they were called "Tories" along with Americans who wanted to stay in British colony.

I'm birtish by the way (God bless the queen!)