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Maybe Shoutgunsteve's history books are indocternated but mine certainly aren't. I know and recognize the Canadian contribution to many wars throughout history. Have people completely forgotten Juno beach? Vimy Ridge? and other numerous examples? Maybe some have but I haven't. As an American I salute the brave Canadian war efforts.

(By the way, the "Canada is our hat thing".....its just a term of endearment :icecream: )

Well I'd like to go to toronto as in the Pitt it was mentioned as being a place of high power. Maybe the enclave has retreated there and you play as a slave in whatever faction controls toronto and you choose to either help the enclave conquer the area, or rise through the ranks of torontos army to help fight for your land.

you can call it indoctrination but in the end Canada didn't do anything near what America did. we saved china from japan and by the end were nearly alone in the final push against japan, 101st airborne took out Italy by aggressively attacking the peninsula and with the assaults of Paton's forces pushing through Sicily and taking positions before the British forces could even reach the positions. Paton's forces were also key in sweeping Rommel out of north Africa. Eisenhower planned d day and the bulk of supplies were from america and the majority of troops from Britain and america, Canada gave very few men. america also gave Britain supplies when they were in desperate need due to Germany's bombings. America did the majority of the fighting in Korea which is evident by the very close relationship america and south Korea currently hold on the cease fire line. also the us isn't war hungry we just have guts and decide to fight for freedom regardless of who it is for or where it is since we have helped the middle east, Korea, japan rebuild after WW2, Somalia, countries all over Europe, china against japan in WW2, and Vietnam.

World War One Canada helped win many key battles and were in it from the start to end. Same with WW2. Canada kept Britain from Falling. We had the 3rd largest Navy. Canada was there on D-Day and pushed farther into France then USA or Britain. Canada provide bombers and fighters and men to use them. Sure we did not have the numbers of the United States but Canada did not have a very large population but we still had over a million men and women surviving during WW2. Canada got stuck doing alot of the dirty work (toughest nuts to crack) during WW2 because we were good at it. Italy battle for Ortona. Germans were afriad of us in both World Wars. Canada was also a major supplier for weapons, food and others. Again not as much as USA because you guys have bigger population but we did our part and then some. Still are in Afghanistan. We went into kandahar because America need are help, we have been there since 2001 in a combat role pretty much alone.

America was not alone in the battle for Japan. America made a deal with Uncle Joe Stalin to help invade Japan and finally push Japan out of China. Stalin ended up doing the work in China.

Anyways this is not the topic for history lessons.

sniff thanks for that, it's nice to see someone other than a Canadian care about our military history, i salute you back sir

a few isolated examples, my point being sending in very small groups to specific locations isnt being a major force in the war, they are there but they never lead the way in mass offensives that decide the war nor do they give anywhere close to the most troops or supplies to the war effort.

Excuse me, but I also care about your military history.

Back on topic I was thinking about how the whole difference between French and English speaking Canadians would run down.

I could imagine a pair of tribal factions, one English Speaking and the other French, at war with each other for their own bizarre reasons.

The English speakers believe that the French Canadians are in fact giant mutant frogs disguised as humans (which is why they can't speak 'human') and that over a million years ago the mutant Frogs used to rule all over Canada until humans led by talking Wolf drove them into hiding. Also, they eat human babies and smell.

The French speakers on the other hand believe that they were the original inhabitants of this land until foreigners led by a vicious werewolf invaded and took over, so now they must reclaim all of Canada for the indigenous population. Also, they're ugly and svck blood.

A few isolated examples! :banghead: No point in trying to convince you. America won both world wars blindfolded with one armed tied behind their back eh? :rolleyes: Glad their are people in the forum that know history cause clearly you don't.

You really are something else aren't you?

no, america barely was involved in ww1 and in world war 2 the main countries who won it were America, Britain, and Russia, with many other european countries giving large support. canada was not one of the major allied powers in terms of supplies or troops used.

Like I said you don't know your history. Over 600,000 Canadians enlisted in WW1 and over 53,000 to killed. Canada only had about 8,000,000 people then. World War 2 Canada had 3rd largest Navy, about 1,082,000 served with 200,000 in the RCAF, Canada had 47,000 of its servicemen killed in action during WWII. Canada's population was only 11 million people. Canada was in both World Wars from start to end. Britain got alot of its supplies from Canada (Halifax and Sydney Nova Scotia, two most importaint port cities in both world wars and vital to Britain) and many Canadians protected Britain's skies. Canada was there on D-Day along with America and Britain. We were at Juno Beach and we went farther into France. We are a Key ally in Afghanistan, been in active combat since 2001 are main base is in the Capital (Kandahar). America is begging us not to go. Canada created Peace Keeping.

Anyways we are going of topic and you don't really care.

*cough*. Can we go back to the topic?

Also ShoutgunSteve, you have a very limited knowledge of military history, I shall leave it at that.

Now how about a Fallout set in Canada, eh?

The Idea of a Fallout in Southern Ontario is very interesting. If Ronto is Toronto Canada I hope other locations around Toronto such as the GTA http://www.project610.com/files/GreaterTorontoRegion.gif are included. A Fallout that takes place around Lake Ontario Canadian Side and American side would be very welcome.

Ya I wanna fight on Jane and Finch!!! Whoops I fogot that place already is like Fallout lmao!

The Americans treated their best war hero of like a peice of crap, sorry you werent born on this side of the border Rambo!.....GO AMERICA WOOHOOO!

i have a limited knowledge? canada has had an extremely small effect on the world when compare to countries such as china, russia, britain, and the united states, especially since the only countries that have really reached super power status in the modern setting are china russia and america and those three have dominated the economic and military aspects of the modern era in terms of size, influence, and ingenuity

USA and Russia were not super powers till after WW2. China did not become a super power till only recently. For a nation as small (population) as Canada we played big parts in World History.

I am done with this debate. Those that care about history and facts can decide for themselves.



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canada's population is actually very similar to most country's. the only countries with massive populations are chin and india in billions and then the united states trailing behind them with somewhere around 300 million, and i said modern times so i meant around and after WW2

Seeing that nobody read my last on-topic post due to the large amounts of political banter I'll put it up again:

I was thinking about how the whole difference between French and English speaking Canadians would run down.

I could imagine a pair of tribal factions, one English Speaking and the other French, at war with each other for their own bizarre reasons.

The English speakers believe that the French Canadians are in fact giant mutant frogs disguised as humans (which is why they can't speak 'human') and that over a million years ago the mutant Frogs used to rule all over Canada until humans led by talking Wolf drove them into hiding. Also, they eat human babies and smell.

The French speakers on the other hand believe that they were the original inhabitants of this land until foreigners led by a vicious werewolf invaded and took over, so now they must reclaim all of Canada for the indigenous population. Also, they're ugly and svck blood.
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One problem with that idea, not everyone speaks french......especially americans....

Fattoler, you are a provoker of thoughts.

I think it would first depend on how French-English relations turn out. There was (is?) the French Separatist movement, which may or may not have occurred in Fallout Universe. Or, perhaps, in FU, they did separate and there's a whole section between Ontario and the Maritimes that is a different country all together. Maybe the Francophones were steamrolled out of Canada, or maybe when Canada was annexed, the Americans insisted they all begin speaking English Or Else.

Well It just seemed to be a good idea for 'quest/location fuel'. I can certainly imagine the dialogue between the PC and the tribals, it would be like No-Bark from Novac.

I gotta disagree wiht you idea of Fancophones vs English Speaking Canadians.

The whole separitist movement in Quebec might be respected more as now the rest of Canada is fighting their own battles for independence. I gotta say that would bring the two peoples closer together in their own struggles. Maybe even removing teh struggles against each other.

I like the idea of Power Armor in hockey team colors...

There have been two times when the separatist movements were highly popular. In the 60's and in the mid 90's.
Considering that Fallout diverges from our timeline in the 50's, separatist movements would have died with America's annexation, strong rule and the bombs.

French issued from vaults or who simply survived the Great War wouldn't give a damn about having their french-canadian own territory, or they wouldn't give a damn about fighting with the English Canadians for culture and language. They'd be fighting for resources.
Like in America, canadians, both French and English, would be fighting amongst themselves for resources, regardless of language and culture.