I actually doubt that this would be the case... entirely.


To be honest, whatever divisions you had between the French and English speaking peoples of Canada... they would likely have been annihilated by the sudden annexation of their entire nation by the United States. Activists were gunned down in the streets... protesters brutally murdered. If -that- isn't the kind of oppressive force that spawns revolutionary movements... I don't know what is.

But at the same time, why would they bother to revolt after the Great War? What are they revolting against? Assuming they didn't get nuked off the face of the planet... which they probably wouldn't have (any more so than the rest of North America)... who would stop them from simply reforming themselves as Canada, if they so desired? I seriously doubt that there is any real military presence in the area which has survived for 200 years continuing to force them to serve United States ends.

If anyone, it would be the Enclave... and the Enclave doesn't really deal with those who have been exposed to the desert radiation and mutations.

It just wouldn't make any sense to have a revolution, as far as I'm concerned.


A game set in Canada would be interesting. Maybe one set across the whole of North America, even.

But I just can't see any really sustainable plot for a revolution

"Let's drive out those nasty foreign folk who've come from lands afar, who will help us in this noble cause to free the lands of Canadia?"

"The Ontrealiens"

"But those people don't even speak like us."

"Why is that?"

"Because *Dramatic Pause* THERE NOT EVEN HUMAN"

"Silly? Ha, the clue's in the name On-tree-ALIENS, from outer space"

*Collective Gasp*

This is a series where a group of people worship an atomic bomb, I don't see my theories of Anglo-French relations being exacerbated to breaking point any more ludicrous.

That being said, I don't think there should be a Canadian Revolution, if the Commonwealth invaded from the south or even the British decided to re-stake their claim in Newfoundland then I'd somewhat understand. However, both are highly unlikely.

Wasnt there a group in Megaton that worshiped the Atomic bomb in the middle of the town in Fallout 3?

Yes, that's what I said.

Umm people are not that stupid. French people know that English people are humans and vice versa.

Dude, you're on the internet, you should know how incredibly stupid people are in real life. Let alone a series where you have the Church of Atom, Hubologists, Richard dikeson and his amazing exposition dump, and so many other insane groups.

I just dont see how people who have co-operated, or at least peacefully co-existed for generations and are not at each others throats would turn in to a blood bath. Especially when those people would be united even more by a conflict against an aggressor nation.

I just cant agree with that post. Maybe it was more of a joke and I just took it to seriously.

Um hang on, I don't see the USA as a united nation in the Fallout World, you know, with all those faction there killing each other. I mean weren't the people of Arizona co-existing with the people of Las Vegas before the war?

People formed new communities and tribes in order to survive. Its really what fallout has been about seeing humanity rebuild itself. Only one faction is trying to rebuilt just like it was before the Great War and thats the Enclave. Canada would be alot like the States in that chances would be that none will see themselves as American or Canadian. They will see themselves as what ever faction/tribe they belong to.

Still there are alot of Canadians on here and we are saying that the French/English thing should not play that big of role if any. Western Quebec has alot of English speaking people. Many Canadians don't speak French. Only one province has both as the offical language and thats New Brunswick and last time I was their everyone was very nice. Did not matter if you could not speak french , they would switch to english without complaint.

If we do see Canada in a future fallout I hope the french/english issue is not in the game. If Ronto is Toronto there would be little if any french people living there as in there are no large french only communities.

Well... I was just suggesting some ideas for people and problems to be involved in, I guess Its because I've just been reading about General Wolfe. Also, just asking, why don't you want it to be invloved? I mean do you find it embarrassing or offensive? Or just like exaggerated like Anglo-Celtic relations in the UK?

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Somehow I've Tripleposted because my internet crashed.

So what should a pre-annexation flag look like? The Pre-1957 or the post 1957? Or maybe a mixture? Errrr. How about a shipwreck of arms to be supplied to Canadian resistance fighters from the UK or China?

Number one reason, its a big cliche "All Canadians speak french" and that English and French Hate one another. I can't speak for the french In Quebec but the anniversary of Britain taking Quebec is not celebrated in Quebec because there are some radicals that ruin it. Its also exaggerated. There was only one time that the Army was needed and that was because there were kidnappings by the FLQ. Some referendums but they failed to get enough votes to go it alone. Its not that big of an issue as it was back then. Quebec has its own federal party the Bloc Québécois which is still a "separatist" party. Can't go much into it without going it politics.

World of Fallout where things are the 1950's mindset things were good between English and French.

I wasn't suggesting for one moment that there were problems like that today in Canada, it's just that Fallout tends to exaggerate things for the sake of comedy...





Also, English people do hate the French and Vice Versa, but that's only in Europe I guess

http://www.project610.com/files/ca-1922.gif :thumbsup: One we have now was 1965.

From what I hear French Canadians hate the French over in Europe.

Other way around

Oh Bugger wrong flag change, they DID change the flag in 1957 but not to the one which I was thinking of. So I guess I was half right there. I quite like the old flag, yet again I'm British so what do I know.

You are right the flag was changed in 1957 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_flags Its close to the bottom. Changed it to http://www.project610.com/files/800px-Canadian_Red_Ensign_(1957-1965).png so it should be the flag in Fallout.

I wonder how Canada was organised after the annexation? Was it even fully annexed or just occupied by the military? I suppose Fallout never got too close to Canada so there was never a reason to explain it fully.

Im just saying that its not a thing between people of French and English peoples. People in general just are not co-operating in the same scale.

We've seen a glimpse of footage but that's about it . What with the Great War occuring only a year after the annexation and what with the state the US was in at the time I doubt any kind of new government or major change in legislation occured; most probably a military occupation, like France in the Second World War.

Well France was occupied in a very interesting way actually; there was the Vichy French government in the south which was a de Jure and somewhat de facto independent state, and officially neutral. Until it was occupied by the Germans in 1942. Alsace and Lorraine were fully annexed into the Greater German Reich whilst the Coastline was occupied by the military in case the British tried to do anything. You have to remember Hitler wasn't particularity fished about western Europe (he hated the French but like Kaiser Bill he admired the British) his main goal was to annex a huge swathe of land belonging to 'lesser peoples' I.e. Slavs and Jews to the east of Germany to create living room for the German people, and to be fair, the Germans had owned and ruled large parts of Poland and the Baltic states since the time of the Teutons and Hitler was merely carrying on the legacy of eastward expansionism left to him by countless German rulers. That being said, he was a still a colossal mono-testicled arsehead.

Yeah, http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1077289-vault-war-i-a-suggestion-for-a-fallout-strategy-game! Sometimes I think Canada is a somewhat overlooked nation as Australia was a few decades ago. Maybe it is because the big neighbour USA always gets the headlines?

I remember their being infor about Canada agreeing to annexed but the Vault says Chris Avellone discards it as non-canon.

But there is this

"In 2067, the United States began to exert pressure on Canada to let US forces pass through Canada to reach battlefields in occupied Alaska. Canada briefly became diplomatically combative and resisted any attempts, but eventually American military units were allowed to pass through Canada. Over the next decade, the United States drew more and more on Canadian resources. Vast stretches of timberland were destroyed, drawing protests from the Canadian populace. In February of 2076, Canada, now almost completely under US occupation, was finally annexed. Canadians began to resort to armed resistance, but were put down by US troops. Despite the war in Alaska ending in America's favor, Canada was still occupied by the US, and seemed to have been until the Great War."

Which means Canada was slowly taken over.