if people think it shouldn't be a full game then perhaps it could a massive piece of DLC like Point Lookout in Fallout 3. look this idea is just me thinking it would be great to view the world from a different perspective, to get a look at the "good" ol' US of A from a non-american view (i mean country wise not playable character wise)

As a Canadian I think this would be a bad idea. For a few reasons.

1. Fallout is about the United States, there were vaults in Canada but I doubt there were that many and Canadian culture pre-war would have been a lot different from American Culture.

2. Canada isn't American in the Fallout Universe, it was simply annexed and occupied. This would be similar to the 1800s territories it would probably be known as the "Canadian Territory"

3. In the Fallout Universe Canada probably took a similar 50s style retro future which means aside from the cities Canada would probably still be mostly rural, and divided into English and French speaking populations.

The only way I could see adding any part of Canada is through a DLC in which those guys called the institute are trying to take over Ronto in a The Pitt style conflict but maybe a Point Lookout map around it with a few other Quests. Maybe 1 quest could involve translators and a French Canadian who was captured. Would be funny if there was a part in it that showed two guys in power armor dead behind a guy in combat armor holding a gun and when you talk to him he would say "Those boys weren't keeping the peace here" or if he asks you what you are doing there you could respond with "Just keeping the peace" that would probably be a good add on in a DLC.

It would be interesting, perhaps down the road in the series. As long as I got to see two things:

1. Hairy Deathclaws (yah, I went there)

and

2. Goalie Ledoux's gang of hockey players turn into a controlling government power, with everything settled by hockey matches.

Then I would be interested.

If I had the energy to write FO: Detroit, it would have Canadian remnants in Windsor making incursions and power plays in Detroit. All I could do was draw the cover art that's in a picture frame on my shelf.

i can see a sort of teaser trailer for this; CG cutscene of a snow covered wasteland, snow blowing in the wind, pans over sniper in white camo, looks through scope, sees a man struggling through the snow, breaths out then in, shot, travel with the bullet, view spins around the bullet slowly as it travels, hit, silence except the cold wind, sniper rises and reveals special snow combat armor and radiation helmet with glowing visor slit, black screen, fade in words (like a quote from tourism Canada from the 50's) "Welcome to the Friendly North" fade out, heavy footfalls, back to the sniper, he turns suddenly, a roar, a giant Radpolbear(Mutated Polor Bear) towers over sniper, roars as claw slashs down, black screen, SCENE.

That would be Canada in the far north. Canada is not the land of polar bears and Inuit. (I am sure you know that). If anything Canada would have been stripped of its natural resources. Strip mining, clear cutting and toxic waste dumps everywhere. Would be one of the main reason many Canadians rebelled against the American annexation. Still since Canada's resources were the main reason for that annexation are cities and other areas would be blasted to hell like everything else.

I can see it being alot colder in Canada in the fallout world but not a frozen waste land. I just want to see more Canadians like Marge LeBarge. To tell us of a Canada that is a land of mines and wilderness survivors. The cities you find there are large trading hubs. With a mix of warlords both former American occupation troops and former rebel groups that made their own "kingdoms." Those crazy "Canadarians."

what i mean with this thought is that some areas of Canada are in a eternal nuclear winter like near the Rockies, and for the mutated polor bears i'm thinking the far north bcame so friged that they ventured south to more hospitable conditions, also the Inuits ventured south as well, maybe. also my thought is not all of Canada is in this state, areas like Ronto is in a more tolerable location. but areas like Ronto could suffer a change of seasons as time goes on, there by altering the enviroment and atmosphere.

I like this suggestion, remember Fallouts universe isn't out own and the American stereotype of Canada being the land of ice and snow would be fitting and could be well tweaked scientifically to reflect that as with what you said with Nuclear winter. That is definitly the best idea I have read on this thread, and I wouldn't mind something that would be like a combination of Operation Anchorage and The Pitt or PL (for free roam). Operation Anchorage was one of my favourite DLCs for all its pre-war mentions and for taking place in frigid Alaska. Canada could be the same.

I know a lot of people who think its always snowing in Canada. ok I don't know if they are just teasing but it doesn't always snow here. The weather here is the same as New York which yes is an American city.

wow thank you, i'm touched, by far the most positive response to this idea so far, Thanks

Ahem, not all of Canada is hella-cold tundra. Why do you think 90% of the population lives within 50 miles of the U.S. border? It's a liveable temperate zone, if you like 4 seasons. I live in metro-Detroit, the nearest large Canadian cities are Windsor and Sarnia. They're not all that different than the U.S., except everyone is polite, their money looks like it escaped a board game, and it's a nice place to get faced.

I think we all know that, in fact the guy I quoted and myself are Canadians. It is just something that would add a certain quaint charm into the Fallout universe if they decided to make a sci-fi twist that turned Canada into a Wintery Nuclear hellhole. Would interesting to see if they had a Mountie Uniform, the hat would be similar to the Rangers hat I think but it would still be neat. The fact they could get away with the Stereotyping is what would make it fun and would probably boost their Canadian sales for sure. I would also like to see some of their posters for Canada made by our "beloved American protectors". Like "We are all in this together Canada!" and show an American Eagle in the sky over Canada with a maple leaf on it and a Power armored soldier with a gun towards Alaska and a Canadian soldier with a gun marching beside him. or "Looking for something hot on those cold Canadian nights? buy a Hortons coffee maker today!"

lol

OMG i can totally see all that, all those thoughts especially the posters sound completely beleivable for this universe. also a thought crossed my mind, it concerns Raul the mexican ghoul in New Vegas, i think there should be a French ghoul named Jacques, a companion that mocks your english ways in his own heavy french accent, he could also serve as a translator for the French factions in the game, for instance subtitles while the NPC speaks French. also a new skill could be Language, it would start with no understanding then as it gets higher levels more of the diologe is revealed, of course at lower levels will only reveal key notes like go here, this person, that, the basics:)

First stereotype about Canada many Americans and the rest of the world has "its the land of ice and poler bears." Second stereotype about Canada "they all speak french." Only a small amout of the population knows french. Having a new Language skill would be a pain in the ass. Also more work for the Devs

Personally I'm for it.......finally I would have a Fallout game where I could do all sorts of unspeakable things and not feel the slightest bit guilty about it. Hopefully they would let us play the Enclave.

sorry it was just a thought. also the thought of snowy wastes of Canada, i think back on the fallouts that i've played; Fallout 3= Urban Wasteland Fallout:New Vegas= Desert Wasteland, why not create a "nuclear winter wonderland" i know the stereotype of snow covered Canada(me being Canadian myself) but this is Fallout it's built on stereotypes and the 50's atmosphere. perhaps as a big quest would be assisting scientists uncover a secret project to end the nuclear winter, i can see it, the top of the CN tower, activate a machine, a flash, the sun emerges from the snow clouds and the snow begins to melt, perhaps that is where the game will end. (GOD i hope not) anyways these are just some thoughts, anybody who has anything to add to this hopefully next installment of the fallout series

I am Canadian as well. I would like to see more hints about Canada and more characters like http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Marge_LeBarge. I have posted some ideas (special Encounters) based on Bob and Doug Mckenzie and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109370/ a movie which really stereotypes Canadians but its funny as hell. Still for some reason the idea of Canada being portrayed as a french speaking snow covered wasteland (in a Fallout game) really bugs me. Jokes here and there are fine but a whole game or a character based on the two most annoying stereotypes is way to much IMO.

I would like to learn more of the annexation of Canada, about Canadian guerrilla fighters. Learn about how some areas were overrun by them. "Battle of Fort Mcmurray" or "St.John's". Maybe about how the former prime minister was killed for agreeing to the annexation. FO1 intro shows T-51b power armoured troops killing Canadians, there had to be a good reason why they sent Power Armour against them. Must have been doing some damage for the USA to take away power armoured units away from the War in China and turn them on Canada.

That's exactly what i'm trying to propose everything recently have just been TimBits from the Tim Horton platter, but my main point is for a Canadian Revolution, explore the aftermath of the ruins of a vengeful country, the tension between English forces based in Ronto and Frankophone Forces based across the Ottawa River, the Ottawa ruins would present itself as a warzone where the two factions constantly fight for control of the former capital. the nuclear winter idea is just a thought and a personal preference cause i like the winter and it's not been the main enviroment of Fallout game (as far as i know)

Due to political reasons I would find it hard to see that happening. A game that has french and english canadians fighting one another as the main focus. Then again the makers are American. Still there are other problems. American takes over Canada I think the English and French would be able to set aside their differences. Also after a nuclear war I don't think they would care what language they speak. Bothsides would be free of one another and therefore no real problem. A game based mostly in Ontario chances are will not sell to well.

Another problem is the FLQ was in the 1960s, The Bloc Québécois 1991. Fallout is the 1950s mindset. Things stayed 1950s up till 2077. Chances are the "bad blood" between english and french might not have become that bad in the Fallout world. If there was any bad blood the American annexation could have helped solve that.

Nuclear winter was some what done in Tactics, the more north you go the more snow you see. Then again Tactics takes place between FO1 and FO2 alot of time has past so snow might be gone. Second snow was mostly shown when travelling through the wasteland so it was more of a copy and past filler background. You know from one location marked on a map to another location marked on a map with nothing but black in between like FO1 and FO2. Area around Vault Zero had snow but it is in the mountains of Coloradio.

sry in the last post i forgot to add that a yet to be decided american faction is trying to take over while the two previous factions are fighting, the americans are taking over ruthlessly and with little resistence that's where a revolutionarie faction comes in, as for the two factions it just seemed like a logical rivalry(spelling) for the aftermath

Whoa. Slow down. Being a Canadian, why in good Gods name would I want to fight the Frankophones as an "English" Canadian. That is ludicris. Well not really, alot of bad things happen in the apocalypse so its possible that these two governments are in conflict.

Suppose since it been 200 years that settlements and governments are emerging it would likely be that this New Canadian Republic would be expanding like any other new government, They would likely either be in conflict with the MWBoS or trading with them. It would also be having such issues or alliances with Cleveland, anything and anybody in the state of Michigan, Buffalo and its inhabitants and government (if it has one). And suppose that this Ronto is truly Toronto (my hometown) then we since we are mentioned in the Pitt, would either be trading with the Pitt but likely not warring with them since they are kind of too far away. That said we would likey either be expanding into Buffalo, or Michigan territory or North into the Canadian shield for mining. Buty southward if we wanted any more farmland.

So the whole issue of the proposed Canadian Fallout could be the conflict due to expansion, need for resources, manpower, and just power between the New Canadian Republic, the MWBoS, Groups in Michigan, Buffalo, Cleveland, the Pitt, and a United Vault Alliance of the Greater New York Area

Just my two cents

Also all your sterotypes made me laugh so hard!!

I'm glad to hear that somebody laughed at the stereotypes, also this is a disscusion on Fallout Canada and your thoughts are most welcome, come on it can't all be up to me right? and thx for the two cents i'll put it in the jar here *clink*

What am I chopped liver? :sadvaultboy: Jk. MouseKing's post is well thought out but I don't like the Idea of "New Canadian Republic" Why a republic? Why not have a constitutional monarchy (which Canada is) or just a monarchy? I like the idea of Canada if it is still united or very least the area of Upper Canada (Southern Ontario) being a kingdom. Having a governor general even though contact with the Royal Family in th UK has long since stopped, or just a King.

very good point, well said. shall i add that to the collection jar? *rattle*