The mother(Leslie) requires the Chosen One have a high strength or charisma, her daughter Angela only requires you be male.

It's a reference to that particular ending obviously, I pointed that out, but there's also not much to support it being a confirmation that the Chosen One is male when you take everything into consideration. Angela Bishop is a girl with no standards who sleeps with anyone, so that child could have easily been fathered by any random yahoo who travels the wasteland. The mother has some standards, but again any random mercenary could have ended up sleeping with her.

Considering that Obsidian went out of their way to refer to the Chosen One in gender neutral terms, I'm not convinced that they are male in the canon. The Bishop child reference isn't much of an argument because of who the Bishop women actually are, particularly the daughter. It's a nod to a particular ending that only male characters can get yes, but nothing more than that.

Actually they clearly made a referece to that ending. The Bishop Child has this need to wander the wasteland as refereced by Isaac. The ending where the Chosen One fathers the Child states that the kid grows up with a need to wander the wasteland.

I pointed out that it was clearly a reference, I was never debating that fact. What I debated was that the kid HAD to be the Chosen One's child, he does not. All Isaac says is that the child knows the wasteland well, again while a clear reference to that ending this isn't really proof that the child IS the Chosen One's unless you believe that the Chosen One is the only drifter ever to wander into New Reno and sleep with either of the Bishop ladies before or after Fallout 2. Considering how they are characterized, that is highly unlikely.

It's left intentionally vague what the Chosen One's gender is every time they're mentioned, this is far more important I think. The Bishop child reference is the only thing you really have to go on here, and unless you completely ignore the characterization of the Bishop women then that reference doesn't really mean much. Again, it was clearly a nod to one of the Fallout 2 endings, but not necessarily an indication of what is or isn't canon. If Marcus actually referred to the Chosen One as male then yes I'd acknowledge The Chosen One as male in the canon, but he doesn't refer to them as either male or female, neither does anyone else who talks about them.

What you purpose couldn't have happened as the only other Bishop's take control ending has them absorbing the other crime families. Which dialog from Issac indicates didn't happen the Van Graffs can muscle out the Wrights if they didn't exist any longer. And the other endings don't allow for the Bishops to exist any longer.

This leaves us with one ending. "The Bishop's Child".

If you play FO2, just wander up to a Bishop lady, sleep with one, and leave, you will be attacked by Bishop and his goons.

You need to have a reason to be there. Seeing how it all tied in with the CO adventure, I would say it 99% CO male and it his kid with a 1% chance they say "Ha Ha fooled ya, lore junkies".

The Bishops take control of or kill all of the other families in the Bishop's child ending as well.

Actually he says "he knows the Wasteland like the back of his hand and he likes to WANDER IT." The ending of Fallout 2 says the kid grows up to wander the wasteland.

So what? It doesn't change anything.

Your argument is that the kid could be anyones.

Even thow the devs of New Vegas are clearly saying it is the Chosen Ones. Fallout 2's ending says the kid grows up to Wander the Wasteland. So it is pretty clear that the devs are saying Bishop of New Reno is the Chosen One's kid. He really knows the wasteland and he likes to wander it. Just like the kid in the ending is said to do.

How else would they have said the guy is the Chosen One's kid? It seems like they did a great job with the way they did it.

Nope, it says victory over the other families doesn't say they were eliminated.
Tribal's Arise has them eliminate the other families.

Don't know much about the older games, but the "real" Lone Wanderer always was female to me. I'm probably reading too much into this, but the whole way LW and Daddy talk to each other and the whole relationship, it's father-daughter for me..
On the other hand, the Courier was always male to me, but I can't say why...

As you can see from my avatar, it's Wilma in Tactics for me.

I always saw the Courier as an African American. I could never really get behind his default appearance.

The only thing that's clear is that it's a nod to a specific ending, I don't see any reason to take it as anything more than that. If you present proof of other characters, or developers actually referring to the Chosen One as male, or other references that can only happen if your character is male then sure I'll concede, but until then... I find the fact that Obsidian went out of their way to avoid referring to the Chosen One by either gender to be more significant than the reference you're referring to, a reference which is open to interpretation.


Implying that the Bishops wouldn't have absorbed or wiped the other families after achieving victory, an unlikely scenario. It's open to interpretation I suppose, but based on who the Bishops are and the kind of place New Reno is I find it highly unlikely that they wouldn't either kill or seize control of the other families after winning regardless of who is in charge.

They were the Vault Dweller, the Chosen One, the Warrior, the Lone Wanderer, and the Courier. I find it best to keep it as simple as that.

I always saw him as hispanic... don't know why, but I just did.

I never understand the dislike for the Courier's appearance. Like ok I get it; kinda flat-faced, large forehead.
But to me, that makes it more real. They didn't just give us a perfectly attractive protagonist, they gave us a realistic-looking one. I think some "faults" in one's facial features makes them distinguishable and gives them more personality and uniqueness. Given that, I think the Courier's look is actually both realistic and fairly good-looking, at least by comparison to the canon Lone Wanderer. (though again, while I think he looks kinda blegh, I find it refreshing to have protagonists with realistic appearances, rather than wtfomg perfect facial features and designed to be attractive)

hey guys... as much as I want to canon Lone Wonderer to be a female "because of the father and daughter relationship" the poster boy says otherwise
http://southwerk.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/fallout-3-wallpaper-918428_20080409_screen003.jpg

i think the same could be said about the Courier
http://www.wallchan.com/images/sandbox/90057-fallout-new-vegas-lonesome-road.jpg
but except the courier was a women in the old world blues trailer so meh

I take art with a grain of salt, as you never know when it was drawn in terms of game development.

For all you know that is Butch on his way to becoming a hair stylist...

I'm not for canonizing details about the protagonists, especially when it's completely unnecessary, but if Bethesda absolutely has to canonize the Lone Wanderer's gender than I'd prefer female as well.


Agreed, artwork and screenshots shouldn't be taken as an indication of what the character is supposed to look like. If Bethesda and Obsidian had intended for the protagonist to look a certain way than they wouldn't have let you customize them. The Lone Wanderers and Couriers in the artwork and screenshots should be seen as placeholders.

personally I reckon that was just chosen for trailers and such for the mad max reference with the dog

Wasn't it Ezekiel in New Vegas that said that some people mistakenly think the Chosen One was the same guy as the Vault Dweller? Obviously they haven't met both, but you wouldn't think it'd be easy to mistake a woman for her grandfather.

Most people don't know anything about the Vault Dweller or Chosen One or their achievements, let alone which person did what. This isn't Dungeons and Dragons, the Vault Dweller and Chosen One aren't regarded as epic legends who have been immortalized in songs, very few people care about who they were and what they did anymore.

Yeah, I mean who needs that giant statue of the Vault Dweller in the capital of the NCR.......