Cant figure out whats causing CTD? Need help please : IV

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:08 pm

So I recently clean installed oblivion. then proceeded to install FCOM in the order given on http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/fcominstall.html. Got it all running after like 2 days of messing with wrye bash and python issues. Once everything was up to date as per the guide I began installing the select few other mods I enjoy so far. Mostly texture packs and a few others. I am running all the unofficial patches, the oblivion stutter fix, the oblivion 4gb update and i am still crashing after loading up an old save in the sewers right before finalizing character details, as well as crashing immediately after the cinematic ends when trying to create a new character. I tried various graphics settings to avoid the CTD but none of them seem to work. I would upload my mod list but I am not really sure how? Anyways if anyone could figure out a way to get this working i would be most pleased. I can provide further details as necessary.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:16 am

In Bash, right click the top bar in the mods tab and select "List Mods."

The list gets copied automatically, so you can just paste it here.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:53 am

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
03 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
04 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
05 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
06 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]
07 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.8.4]
08 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
09 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
0A Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0B DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0C Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
0D Better Cities .esp
0E Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
0F Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
10 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
11 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
12 SI Living Economy.esp
13 DLCHorseArmor.esp
14 DLCOrrery.esp
15 DLCVileLair.esp
16 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
17 DLCSpellTomes.esp
18 Plate Armor Plus - Woman's Move Edition.esp
19 DLCThievesDen.esp
1A KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]
1B Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
1C Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
1D Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
1E Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
1F FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
20 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.08a]
21 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
22 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
23 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
24 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]
25 FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp [Version 0.9.8]
26 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
27 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
28 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
29 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
2A DLCFrostcrag.esp
2B Knights.esp
2C Cernasite - DragonEyes.esp
2D AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp
2E Better Cities Full.esp [Version 4.8.4]
2F Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.8.4]
30 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.8.1]
31 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]
32 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.8.4]
33 Plate Armor Plus - OOO_FCOM_version.esp
34 Schwertleite Armor.esp
35 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:23 pm

05 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
06 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]

Please Read the Current FCOM Very Carefully since you are using MMM 3.7b3 once again..

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1160205-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom/

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:50 am

Please Read the Current FCOM Very Carefully since you are using MMM 3.7b3 once again..

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1160205-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom/

Thanks I will be clean reinstalling from scratch following the forum post

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:16 am

Well perhaps i screwed up the same way again but i followed the install guide on MMM and used the new load order and I am having CTD immediately after launch. Is there something about HGEC bodies, better cities, or Quarls texture packs that causes issues because those are the only other mods i installed. At this point im beginning to wonder if FCOM is worth the hassle

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:47 am

Well perhaps i screwed up the same way again but i followed the install guide on MMM and used the new load order and I am having the exact same problem. At this point im beginning to wonder if FCOM is worth the hassle

I don't know if this will help much, but have you tried running BOSS? It may help with a load order issue if you have one.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:26 am

Well perhaps i screwed up the same way again but i followed the install guide on MMM and used the new load order and I am having the exact same problem. At this point im beginning to wonder if FCOM is worth the hassle

Hard to give advice w/o seeing your load order. Make sure the MMM.bsa is renamed correctly, i.e. FCOM_Convergence_MartsMonsterMod.bsa. That's probably the most common mistake.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:16 am

Sorry forgot to list them again. Here
Although atm I am rebuilding bashed patch with a slightly different list in hopes of making it work.

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]08  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]09  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.4]0A  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]0B  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]0C  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0D  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0E  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0F  DLCShiveringIsles.esp10  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]11  Better Cities .esp12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp13  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp14  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]16  DLCHorseArmor.esp17  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]18  DLCOrrery.esp19  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1A  DLCVileLair.esp1B  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1D  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1E  DLCSpellTomes.esp1F  DLCThievesDen.esp20  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]21  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]22  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]23  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]24  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp25  Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp26  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]27  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]28  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]29  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2A  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]2B  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2C  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]2D  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2E  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]31  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]32  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]33  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]34  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]35  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]36  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]37  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]38  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]39  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp3A  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp3B  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3C  DLCFrostcrag.esp3D  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3E  Knights.esp3F  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]40  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]41  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]42  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.8.4]43  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]44  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.4]45  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]46  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]47  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.4]48  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp  [Version 4.7.0]49  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:21 am

Sorry forgot to list them again. Here
Although atm I am rebuilding bashed patch with a slightly different list in hopes of making it work.

25 Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
27 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.08a]
31 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

33 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
37 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]

3E Knights.esp
3F Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]

40 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
42 Better Cities Full.esp [Version 4.8.4]

Remove Cheat Bob''s Armory

Update http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/875610-oblivion-warcry/page__st__40__p__16271741&#entry16271741 and http://www.4shared.com/file/REdXF9Ks/FCOM_WarCry109.html

You should not be using Gems and Gems Dust has OOO already contains it own features called Geomancy ..

Are you sure you system can hande 2 fish spawning mods..Diverse Waterlife and OOO Waterfish is going to be killer on cpu and fps

You should be using FCOM Knights

You should Not be using MMM City Defences with Better Cities Full has it contains it own version the last time I checked..

Did you download the http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34830 ? and have it installed has well ?

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Can you start a vanilla game no other mods loaded ? if crash persist then you need to rebuild your oblivion.ini

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:05 pm

Remove Cheat Bob''s Armory

Update http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/875610-oblivion-warcry/page__st__40__p__16271741&#entry16271741 and http://www.4shared.com/file/REdXF9Ks/FCOM_WarCry109.html

You should not be using Gems and Gems Dust has OOO already contains it own features called Geomancy ..

Are you sure you system can hande 2 fish spawning mods..Diverse Waterlife and OOO Waterfish is going to be killer on cpu and fps

You should be using FCOM Knights

You should Not be using MMM City Defences with Better Cities Full has it contains it own version the last time I checked..

Did you download the http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34830 ? and have it installed has well ?

Pardon my ignorance but just deleting these mods from the Data folder will remove those issues? As to the fish mods I will remove one of them until I have everything else sorted out to see if my system can in fact handle the stress of both. Thanks for the quick replys and the help.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:12 am

Pardon my ignorance but just deleting these mods from the Data folder will remove those issues? As to the fish mods I will remove one of them until I have everything else sorted out to see if my system can in fact handle the stress of both. Thanks for the quick replys and the help.

Yeah, remove and update and rebuild the Bashed Patch.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:45 am

Ok so I think I have updated everything you said as well as enabling everything. Here is my current list of mods. I just tested it and I am still crashing almost immediately after hitting play from the launcher.

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]08  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]09  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.4]0A  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]0B  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]0C  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0D  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0E  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0F  DLCShiveringIsles.esp10  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]11  Better Cities .esp12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp13  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp14  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]16  DLCHorseArmor.esp17  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]18  DLCOrrery.esp19  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1A  DLCVileLair.esp1B  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1D  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1E  DLCSpellTomes.esp1F  DLCThievesDen.esp20  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]21  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]22  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]23  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]24  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp25  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]26  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]27  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]28  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]29  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]2A  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2B  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]2C  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2D  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]31  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]32  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]33  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]34  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]35  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]36  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp37  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp38  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]39  DLCFrostcrag.esp3A  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3B  Knights.esp3C  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]3D  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]3E  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.8.4]3F  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]40  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.4]41  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]42  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]43  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.4]44  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp  [Version 4.7.0]45  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]46  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:09 am

Anyone have suggestions for best way to proceed turning off mods in an order that wont damage anything so that i can test which ones are causing the issue?

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:26 am

Anyone have suggestions for best way to proceed turning off mods in an order that wont damage anything so that i can test which ones are causing the issue?

A bit late now but my recommendation is to start up a new game with just a patched vanilla game to see if it seems to work. Then add OOO and do the same. Then add the the core FCOM mods and do the same. And then add mods one or two at a time while checking for issues/stability. Starting out with lots of mods makes it more difficult to trouble shoot.

Anyway, CTDs on startup are generally caused by either:
1. A missing master, which shouldn't be the issue in your case. The plugin with a missing master turns up red in Wrye Bash so easy to check.
2. Some setting in the Oblivion.ini. You haven't commented on Corepc's tip to delete it so it can rebuild during startup so not sure if you've tried that.
3. Missing fonts, i.e. a messed up install of a custom UI so the ini points to non-existing fonts.

I'd guess the second in this case. Try deleting the Oblivion.ini in My Documents/My Games/Oblivion and let the game generate a new one on startup.

EDIT: BTW, do you mean that it crashes immediately on startup or that it crashes when the game/menu has loaded and you try to start a new game? If the latter, it's probably caused by not having renamed the MMM.bsa as noted in a post above. You didn't comment on that either so no idea if you've done that correctly or not.

Also:

0A Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53] - Import NPC Faces into the Bashed Patch and keep unchecked.
0B Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53] - As above.
0D UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] - Skip. Use the Bashed Patch tweak instead.
0E Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp - Skip. Only use if you nitice it's needed.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:42 am

A bit late now but my recommendation is to start up a new game with just a patched vanilla game to see if it seems to work. Then add OOO and do the same. Then add the the core FCOM mods and do the same. And then add mods one or two at a time while checking for issues/stability. Starting out with lots of mods makes it more difficult to trouble shoot.

Anyway, CTDs on startup are generally caused by either:
1. A missing master, which shouldn't be the issue in your case. The plugin with a missing master turns up red in Wrye Bash so easy to check.
2. Some setting in the Oblivion.ini. You haven't commented on Corepc's tip to delete it so it can rebuild during startup so not sure if you've tried that.
3. Missing fonts, i.e. a messed up install of a custom UI so the ini points to non-existing fonts.

I'd guess the second in this case. Try deleting the Oblivion.ini in My Documents/My Games/Oblivion and let the game generate a new one on startup.

EDIT: BTW, do you mean that it crashes immediately on startup or that it crashes when the game/menu has loaded and you try to start a new game? If the latter, it's probably caused by not having renamed the MMM.bsa as noted in a post above. You didn't comment on that either so no idea if you've done that correctly or not.

Also:

0A Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53] - Import NPC Faces into the Bashed Patch and keep unchecked.
0B Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53] - As above.
0D UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] - Skip. Use the Bashed Patch tweak instead.
0E Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp - Skip. Only use if you nitice it's needed.

Deleting the .ini file right now and yeah I forgot to mention but yes I did check and rename the MMM bsa. Once again thanks for responding

EDIT: deleted the .ini still CTD although it semed about to load to the ingame main menu for a sec

Edit #2: Will be restarting from scratch tomorrow using the method described above. One mod at a time checking if it loads

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:39 am

Edit #2: Will be restarting from scratch tomorrow using the method described above. One mod at a time checking if it loads

Good idea.

By the way your Unofficial Oblivion Patch is old version at 3.2.0, newest is 3.3.3

Anyway, my recommendation would be to install first and foremost the basic FCOM. That is Fran's, OOO, WarCry, MMM and FCOM/UFCOM. If you are first time installer of FCOM I would even recommend that you install only the vanilla game and possibly SI and none of the other DLCs in order to keep it as simple and foolproof as possible. Then post your load order again.

If you do such a most rudimentary FCOM install, if only for testing and a bit of test-playing, your modlist should not be longer than around 20 entries.

Do all the others like the rest of DLC, Armamentarium, even Bob's Armory, Loth, Cobl etc etc. later once the basis is working. If you do not cut down drastically on your mods you are bound to have problems until you have some experience with installing FCOM. My two cents....