A case for Saadia

Post » Wed May 02, 2012 9:42 pm

Using search before starting another useless debate that's already been virtually proven (In this case Saadia IS guilty) should be listed as a rule.

Nobody else here cares but you. Sounds like your problem.

AAANNYYWAYYY...moving on
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:56 pm

How is it virtually proven? I think it's open ended enough that they could make a DLC out of it. Depending on your choice.

Except, they won't.

But they could.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:37 am

Nobody else here cares but you. Sounds like your problem.

AAANNYYWAYYY...moving on

& you because you started this topic without using search. Heck theres even another one in the Spoilers section AGAIN... It's like every three days some moron restarts this debate without using their brain & thinking "Hey i should use search to check if someones already brought it up & debate my thoughts in that thread", Instead we have a ton of this repetetive crap that goes nowhere except in circles with [censored] thats already been said hundreds of times.

How is it virtually proven? I think it's open ended enough that they could make a DLC out of it. Depending on your choice.

Except, they won't.

But they could.

They won't, this is Beth we're talking about here, they'd rather work on something new than waste time with something old. Also it is virtually proven because of all the info that's been gathered as to the consequence of your choices, in this case, turning Saadia in. The big spoiler is that Thalmor Agents come after you spouting stuff about their agent. Happened to me twice, & the second time, the only quest i'd done that had any mention of the Thalmor was this one. Coincidence? No.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:20 am

The way I break it down is someone would only be in exile for supporting the ousted power, not the one currently in residence. It makes no sense for someone to be exiled for opposing the Thalmor, since that describes most of Hammerfell.
As you say. Saadia's story makes zero sense. She'd just be one voice among many if she were really speaking out about the Thalmor, not on the run.

What makes me believe Saadia is that the Alik'r guys hunting her are found lairing in a bandit cave. If they are on the up and up, then why are they bedding down with criminals?
We see why, because the guards in Skyrim towns aren't letting them in and they probably don't want to draw too much attention lest they scare the prey. A few of them are at Rorikstead's inn. They're just laying low.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 6:47 pm

& you because you started this topic without using search. Heck theres even another one in the Spoilers section AGAIN... It's like every three days some moron restarts this debate without using their brain & thinking "Hey i should use search to check if someones already brought it up & debate my thoughts in that thread", Instead we have a ton of this repetetive crap that goes nowhere except in circles with [censored] thats already been said hundreds of times.

Maybe you can use your brain to figure out that this isn't about the answer, but the discussion. I don't want to read what has already been said, but to have a new discussion. Is that alright with you or is it too difficult to comprehend? Let me know if I can simplify it anymore for you champ. And I don't care if we repeat it. We aren't going to run out of internet. I do this as a hobby. Maybe for you this is really important in your life, but to me it's a forum I check every other day MAYBE if I remember. So just chill out and discuss, or get out and stop whining.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:35 am

What makes me believe Saadia is that the Alik'r guys hunting her are found lairing in a bandit cave. If they are on the up and up, then why are they bedding down with criminals? Would U.S. Marshals chasing an escaped prisoner make camp with a bunch of crack dealers? Also, why are they not going to normal diplomatic channels? An Ambassador from Hammerfell ought to be going to either the High King (which granted is kind of hard now that he is dead), the Jarls, or even the Empire and asking them to have the local authorities assist in the capture and extradition of a wanted criminal. But they don't even want to tell the Whiterun guard what they are really up to. They do not even have a warrant for her arrest from Hammerfell. Everything about them is fishy, and screams that they are hired thugs.

same reason the usa didnt tell pakistan they were gonna kill binladen

they arent on good trust with the nords to help them and try to avoid the political crapstorm by keeping stuff quietly
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:05 am

If the police in one country want to arrest a fugitive hiding out in another country, they use official, diplomatic channels to ask that person be extradited.

Maybe so in this day and age with a western ruled world held together as one through pacts and treaties, but in the TES age it is Hammerfell asking Skyrim which is still a part of the Empire.

With Hammerfell breaking away from the Empire and relations between them not being at it's best. I'm sure they would not have much success writing to the Empire and the Jarls of Skyrim. Especially at a time when Skyrim has it's own issues to deal with. Mr Stormcloak's men on the other hand would probably welcome them with open arms considering the shared political views with Hammerfell on the Empire and the situation over the Thalmor
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:44 pm

A bit tough to resolve the matter diplomatically when the city refuses to let you in to talk to the jarl.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:21 am

A bit tough to resolve the matter diplomatically when the city refuses to let you in to talk to the jarl.
which to me could support that the Aiik'r are telling the truth as they don't seem to be hiding their motives. They are blatant in their approach. Even seen on the roads harassing innocent Redguard women. As it is not a Skyrim issue and considering the presence of the Empire, it is no wonder the cities do not let them in. Especially with their approach to Redguards who are now Skyrim citizens
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:03 am

The premise of this quest was cool but I don't like the way Bethesda put it together. Although I'm personally harboring no regrets for the choice I made, by the time I had handed Saadia over to the Alik'r mercenaries, I felt like I had achieved a "bad ending" to the quest, even though the whole thing seemed rather open ended. In other words, I got the impression that you're supposed to trust Saadia and help her elude the Alik'r, because that's the "right" thing to do.

Just my two cents.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:10 pm

The premise of this quest was cool but I don't like the way Bethesda put it together. Although I'm personally harboring no regrets for the choice I made, by the time I had handed Saadia over to the Alik'r mercenaries, I felt like I had achieved a "bad ending" to the quest, even though the whole thing seemed rather open ended. In other words, I got the impression that you're supposed to trust Saadia and help her elude the Alik'r, because that's the "right" thing to do.

Just my two cents.
Like Kematu says, don't be fooled by a pretty face. I think the quest was meant to subvert the "damsel in distress" trope.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 1:22 pm

This has come up before, so I'm just going to provide a link to another thread on this subject which has a long and detailed post by me on the subject.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1341363-in-my-time-of-need/page__p__20223255#entry20223255
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:20 pm

This has come up before, so I'm just going to provide a link to another thread on this subject which has a long and detailed post by me on the subject.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1341363-in-my-time-of-need/page__p__20223255#entry20223255

The last part in the spoiler is the strongest argument, but I read on one of the game wikis that it was actually an unrelated glitch.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 7:59 pm

The last part in the spoiler is the strongest argument, but I read on one of the game wikis that it was actually an unrelated glitch.

It's possible, but many people have experienced it. Also, Saadia's story has more hole's than Kematu's, but he could just be a better liar. However, many of his actions and his dialogue (depending on actions you take), led to believe that he was telling the truth, so I handed Saadia over to him.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:59 pm

Thanks AOLC (Primus) :smile:

I'm glad you linked that other thread. I think it has made me side towards the Alik'r as telling the truth and Saadia is in fact a Thalmor spy. Whiterun is divided between Imperial and Thalmor so it makes sense for her to be there as Talos worship is present and the Thalmor don't have any presence. Plus the inn is the ideal place to see and hear who is up to what.

I hadn't seen the end dialogue nor saw what happens after the event (the spoiler). That is what

If you side with Saadia, she carries on normally in the inn. She doesn't seem overly excited with you once the quest is completed. I was expecting her to want to marry you.
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