I think you mean people who ONLY play those.
because let's be honest, we ALL at least rented some game like that and enjoyed it... while it lasted

I think you mean people who ONLY play those.
because let's be honest, we ALL at least rented some game like that and enjoyed it... while it lasted

I'm seeing a lot of topics about attributes VS perks (around 6 on the front page was the record), but before you continue to debate, please, DO NOT use the argument that they're making this for the casual gamer

making a game for someone who doesn't want to play a game, hell even EA doesn't do that (no wait, they did with DA2... but they're probably the only ones)

You can be SURE, that some changes are gonna be made if thet make it for the non-RPG gamers, and those changes will piss off EVERYONE here.

1 - the world will be SMALL, linear, and you won't be able to travel between towns on foot (forced fast travel, which has NEVER ^plagued the TES series)

2 - The combat system will end up being mashing a single button (we're going far from it already, as combat will definitely take some strategy, and good use of your skills/equipement)

3 - The number of possible character builds will be round 4 or 5, instead of being in the millions (it is now. do the math, if you like numbers that much)

4 - They'll make a new game every year, and it'll simply be the same with 2-3 things changed, and maybe a different button layout to make you believe there's a change

5 - There won't be anything unique AT All. Not a single weapon, not a single place, not a single NPC, everything will be randomly generated

6 - It'll be kinect compatible

7 - You're gonna have a kill-cam after finishing off an enemy

8 - There will be a cheat code option in the menu

9 - the game will have Crysis graphics, or even better (after all, it's the only way to appeal to casual gamers!)

10 - At level up, EVERYTHING gos up automatically, and you can't customize anything

11 - every weapon will hit at the same speed, thus making it that there IS an ultimate weapon that totally outclasses others, and not just by one or 2 points

12 - We'll get a lock-on option

12b - we'll get an auto-aim option with the bow (not magnetism, AUTOMATIC AIM)

13 - It will be in all of tamriel, but ironically there will only be ONE city per province, and you can't explore

14 - We'll get to summon gods/daedra lords

15 - The strongest weapon in-game will one-hit almost anything

16 - Armor will TOTALLY block damage, thus making health useless

17 - You will be ENCOURAGED to stay in the same area just to level up enough OR level scaling will be EXTREME (yeah Oblivion was guilty for that one, but the intent wasn't to make things easy... just to keep a challenge at higher levels)

18 - Bribe the count, and he'll give you his castle

19 - Random loot will ALWAYS have the best loot for your level



20 - Enemies won't detect you before you attack



well that's all I can think of for now, but seriously, before posting the same argument with the [censored] attitude "we're a different race than casual gamers! they don't like games, they want movies!", please, think it through

I get what you're saying, but I still calling them "Casual" is a disservice to their ability. Some people have taken a forsaken dedication to a particular game. It doesn't so much become about the game itself, as it does the end result.

I do think this whole "Casual" as an insult attitude should stop. It's very reminiscent of the PC gamers thinking they are better than Console gamers for no legitimate reason. I with most people, that trying to make a game pleasing to casual and hardcoe type audiences often results in a disjointed mess of a game. Real game designers need to stick with their vision, be it intent to create an absolutely amazing "Casual" Game, or an engrossing "hardcoe" game, and not compromise the two, for sake of the bottom line only.

Someone threw in a Bioware insult, and I would have defended them up until Dragon Age 2... At least the changes from Mass Effect 1 to 2 were justifiable. Mass Effect was a poor Cover-based shooter that hid it's broken combat with RPG, if only they didn't remove any/all semblance of exploration in the sequel, I think II would have been universally better, instead of just arguably better.

Multiplayer games are kind of a tough thing to really lump in either Casual or hardcoe castes. There are some truly talented COD players out there, and that may be, quite literally, they're life and career. So you have to look at them different than gamers period. They're more drawn to the competitiveness of those experiences, than the medium itself, but without knowing why each person really plays a multiplayer game to exclusivity, I can't make that judgment. At the very least, Multiplayer spammers are a caste of their own, separate from "hardcoe" and "Casual" Gamers, maybe call them "Sporting" Gamers, I don't know.

:rofl: I didnt really get the point of this thread but it is hilarious ! !

Real game designers need to stick with their vision, be it intent to create an absolutely amazing "Casual" Game, or an engrossing "hardcoe" game, and not compromise the two, for sake of the bottom line only.

I'm seeing a lot of topics about attributes VS perks (around 6 on the front page was the record), but before you continue to debate, please, DO NOT use the argument that they're making this for the casual gamer

making a game for someone who doesn't want to play a game, hell even EA doesn't do that (no wait, they did with DA2... but they're probably the only ones)

You can be SURE, that some changes are gonna be made if thet make it for the non-RPG gamers, and those changes will piss off EVERYONE here.

1 - the world will be SMALL, linear, and you won't be able to travel between towns on foot (forced fast travel, which has NEVER ^plagued the TES series)

2 - The combat system will end up being mashing a single button (we're going far from it already, as combat will definitely take some strategy, and good use of your skills/equipement)

3 - The number of possible character builds will be round 4 or 5, instead of being in the millions (it is now. do the math, if you like numbers that much)

4 - They'll make a new game every year, and it'll simply be the same with 2-3 things changed, and maybe a different button layout to make you believe there's a change

5 - There won't be anything unique AT All. Not a single weapon, not a single place, not a single NPC, everything will be randomly generated

6 - It'll be kinect compatible

7 - You're gonna have a kill-cam after finishing off an enemy

8 - There will be a cheat code option in the menu

9 - the game will have Crysis graphics, or even better (after all, it's the only way to appeal to casual gamers!)

10 - At level up, EVERYTHING gos up automatically, and you can't customize anything

11 - every weapon will hit at the same speed, thus making it that there IS an ultimate weapon that totally outclasses others, and not just by one or 2 points

12 - We'll get a lock-on option

12b - we'll get an auto-aim option with the bow (not magnetism, AUTOMATIC AIM)

13 - It will be in all of tamriel, but ironically there will only be ONE city per province, and you can't explore

14 - We'll get to summon gods/daedra lords

15 - The strongest weapon in-game will one-hit almost anything

16 - Armor will TOTALLY block damage, thus making health useless

17 - You will be ENCOURAGED to stay in the same area just to level up enough OR level scaling will be EXTREME (yeah Oblivion was guilty for that one, but the intent wasn't to make things easy... just to keep a challenge at higher levels)

18 - Bribe the count, and he'll give you his castle

19 - Random loot will ALWAYS have the best loot for your level

20 - Enemies won't detect you before you attack

well that's all I can think of for now, but seriously, before posting the same argument with the [censored] attitude "we're a different race than casual gamers! they don't like games, they want movies!", please, think it through

Not really sure what this is all about but what I do know is that Skyrim is more simple, but in a good, smart and effective way. Being simple doesn't necessarily mean casual, and I think that is an important thing to remember.

I, for the most part, agree with you (even though I'm one that currently prefers they keep attributes as is). I don't think they are dumbing down the game for the "casual player". But you have to admit that the "casual" player doesn't drop 100s...even 1,000s of hours into Beth games. Like most of my friends, they play 30-80 hours and move on. Which is fine...they are fans just like I am, and have every right to demand things they want out of the franchise.

But I'd venture a guess and say many of the people in this forum are more towards the "hardcoe" fan. People who play the game into the 3 and 4 digit hour mark. People who read the lore and get annoyed at inaccuracies. People who play and even make mods.

The point is...these people ARE a different class of player...a class I'd define as more "hardcoe", but call them what you want. And therefore, most likely would want different things than other players. So the argument holds in my opinion. Not that any side is right or wrong, just that they want different things in many cases.

learn grammar before saying "argumenting"