Lore Wise yes, but Gameplay Wise Legion beats FO3 Enclave



And Proud of it



I cannot do that even with the most powerful weapon, and also how do they miss them, so far I the always hit me at least 3 or 4 before time before finishing them of with more that one bullet

I'd like to see a gameplay video of you doing that to believe it.

I don t use the best weapons out there, but I am not nerfing my self. It is not my fault I have 28dt and vet legionaries have 10dt. It is their fault. Fo3 when ran into 5 mixed Enclave I lost more than 12hp and they killed followers.

This isn t about Enclave either its about the weakness of cl

I nerfed my bad girl charecter "Azreal" in fo3 She only wore leather armour at the most. Once she got hit with a bunch of plasma rounds and her leather armour or merc charmer outfit was trash in 5 shots she changed her mind and went with pa.

Enclave were better shooters. They put out way more fire and were on target alot more.

Hellfire armour was the highest dr in the game. the 45d or t51b didn t have that high dr.

Its just not my fault that cl r absolute scrubs.

Im not saying they r this easy, but all that r in nipton and nelson r recruits. I one shot them alot with a sniper rifle.

I m talking about prime or vet legionaires. I don t 1 shot them, but they dont return fire hard like Enclave did. I cripple them much faster than Enclave tt or hft.

I forgot, I was set to very easy by default at that part, that's probably why it was like killing radroaches... It'd probably be alot harder on very hard. My bad.

DT is better, because some ammo will barley hurt high dt ever. With dr 10mm ammo would damage the pa and the wearer. High DT 10mm ammo will do almost nothing.

Problem is very few cl have high dt 13dt for vet legionaries if they have a helmet. (it may be lower) So it really dosent help them unless you are using a .22 or a 9mm pistol. Plus there are armour piercing bullets which totally wreck dt. NPCs never have them, but you do.

Well there r not many ap rounds left for my main charecter. The economy has almost stopped 265hrs in.

high DT is better if they didn t have ap rounds.

If you don't like using anything but the best then why get annoyed at enemies being crap towards you?
Either you're overpowered or you're balanced.
Can't have both.

My guy has 100 in guns 100 in lockpick 100 in speech 100 in science like 52 in ew 46 explosives 62 sneak. I did not take the life giver perk my end is 7 or 8. Its not my job to try to get hurt or die on purpose . Its they devs job to make a enemy that can hurt me.

Even though Fo3 Enclave were a total breeze to all of you, they hurt me and killed followers. They had better well conditioned weapons, they returned fire at a much higher rate, and they hit what they were aiming at much more.

Cl is just not hurting me at all in the wastes. I should not have to run around in underwear and use a varmit rifle to make it easy for cl.

It is not my job.

Caesars Legion were harder, but they were wayyyyyyy more boring unless you are doing that quest with B*&n. Saying that, if you were playing a week character, when you 1st encounter the enclave you are handed it.

I agree, it is the developers job to design the game in a way that it can be challenging to us.
But since they didn't you have to choose between overpower or balance through self gimping.

I hate you lol

Mission accomplished. :disguise:

Or you'll have to wait until another difficulty/game mode is released in a DLC/patch (hardcoe Mode +1, Extreme Mode, Nightmare Mode) or until they patch the enemies or weapons of the game and give it a big overhaul.

Though I wouldn't hold my breath.
Can't tell whether they care about combat balance or not.
They could just leave it as broken as it is if they want to.
Nothing we can do about but complain. :down:

OR get the game for PC and use a mod....Problem solved!

Unless one lives on welfare and have money for cigarettes, food, and the occasional round on the town or a game. :mellow:

PC gaming you have to get up with tech and know stuff. I have buddies that turned their PCs into gaming platforms. They alwats buy this or that or something broke.

Though I know it s far more advanced it seems like a good deal more hassle. Rainbow 6 3 on pc 7 years ago is still better looking has better sound and more content than any tactical shooter out on console now. Thing is that guy sunk so good money into it, then 4 years later he s back on console. I asked him why said his stuff was pretty muchout dated he just said f it.

Or not problem solved...

No more bias...Fallout 2 Enclave vs. Caesar's Legion? Gameplay and lore wise...the former.

Fallout 3 Enclave vs. Caesar's Legion? The latter.

It's not really that hard, you don't have to upgrade that much either maybe once every 4 years too keep up with the newest games. Plus if yo udo it right, upgrading is much more cheaper then buying the next gen console. Plus your PC can do a million things more then your console. the New games are never "cutting edge" so you can get away with alot of "outdated" for the most part.

QFT

Indeed, I remember those 2 soldiers at the Modino's secret meeting place wiping out my team many times with the pancors and APA MK II's We even had metal armor and combat armor for protection! 5mm AP and .223 alone with Shotguns don't really hurt the mall that much!

Enclave. The concept of the legion as it is right now is stupid.

But this Fallout, the concept fit perfectly, welcome to the 50 my friend

Yeah but the Roman Legion is from the 0050s AD The fo time split is 1950s with tech way past our own.

I agree with boone the loon

As they are in the game. They could have done better. Seems like not much thought put into a major faction.

More thought than NCR, House, Lyons Brotherhood, Talon Company, FO3 Enclave and Khans even though it's limited amount of content. :bunny: