I understand we need dt not dr, but cl IMO did not compair to Enclave during in game combat at all. They wanna see a prime Legionaire in a cage match, thing is Enclave isn t dumb enough to have a super sledge. That guy would be a crispy critter before he even got close to 10 Enclave.

Id like to see 10 cl in a cage with a Enclave controlled deathclaw. lol

I broke my rule and replied to the non sense, but at least it took me a long time.
What ever love cream puff CL. I just hope they put a real evil group in fo4. Some one that can dish some dam out.

On very hard, Id kill a Hellfire Enclave soldier with 3 shots from the Alien Discintegrator, 4 shots with the Tri-Beam Laser Rifle, Metal Blaster, and A3-21's Plasma Rifle and drop them real quick with the unique fully automatic version of the Alien Discintegrator called the Destabilizer. As a matter of fact. I gave the Destabilizer to Paladin Vargas and he whiped out almost the entire platform full of Enclave at Project Purity by himself. He just mowed them down. I just stayed hidden and watched.

This doesnt prove anything. All your saying is" I can kill a enclave soldier with these powerful weapons." Its not that impressive....

Well, in terms of kills, the Fo3 Enclave has done it more to me. But that's merely because I couldn't support them in that game, not because they were dangerous or powerfull - the Legion gave me a much bigger punch when I was not supportive of their cause.

Maybe you misunderstood. What it does say is that the Enclave can take more damage than the Legion, but the Legion can do more damage than the Enclave. Of course if both factions were in the same game the Enclave would destroy the Legion because their power would be adjusted accordingly. The again, I had a lot more HP in Fallout 3 than I do in NV so who knows.

No your not understanding this right. The Enclave can dish out 3x the amount the legion could ever even think about doing...

I dont know dude. Preatorian Balistic Fist will [censored] you up man.

Well how many shots from an alien blaster to kill a cl prime legionaire??? 1. I don t know because I wouldn t waste a alien power cell on them I never used it on Enclave either.

When I snipe Enclave there were fireballs in the air. They would move and catch me on fire shoot me few times. I had to take stims

CL I one shoot alot of them with ap sniper and the others pace around. Its like we played different games.

Yah thats even the question if they can get that close...

Ive seen 1 assassin squad in over 400 hrs of NCR side game play. After nipton I start killing cl. I get villified still only 1 assassin squad.
Another did appear right when I was at a ranger bases after the vets r out lol needless to say they got slapped. 1 of these squads they did hurt me since they just appear, but only ever 1out in the wastes.

One nipton shot me in the head (reinfoced mkII combat armour)
with a cowboy repeater it took 4hp. I did nelson lost 4hp. It would not be that easy with Enclave. I think u guys take drugs or something. Better hand that stuff over.

The Legion, the Enclave of the Capital Wasteland won't stand a chance on the battlefield with them.

In Fallout 3 I killed Enclave Soldiers in Advanced Power Armor Mk. 2 with a Tire Iron, I tried to do the same with CL, and got hacked to bits.

Really....That doesnt sound right.

But that is what happened, it shouldn't have, but Bethesda nerfed Power Armor to all hell, and level scaling ensured that i was more durable then them.

Well the Cl isnt anybetter...
Lets compare shall we:

Enclave:
Power armor Mk 2

Tactics

Better weaponary

Vertibirds

CL:
Just terrible armor

Non what so ever

Just dreadful weapons

No forms of good transportation






Enclave would win this battle 9 times out of 10

In lore, you are right, but right now we are talking about the games, in the game, the Enclave was horridly underpowered and reduced to cannon fodder.

Exactly, think about if the Enclave soldiers in Fallout 3 had been as hard to take down as the Brotherhood in NV. Thats how they should have been but unfortunately they were nothing but over glorified raiders.

No, don't compare them to the BoS in NV, compare them to the Enclave in Fallout 2, impossible to kill without great armor and weapons, lest you get murdered in a split second.

Who's talking lore now in-game the Enclave exhibited zero use of tactics, pretty sure you're going to point to them taking cover during Take it Back... when a fifty foot robot is stomping towards them after killing all of there men before hand! The lack of tactics in F3 is what pisses me off more than anything, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvpMB8LkRI0 as the Vertibirds come in from behind Prime, when they could shoot his [censored] spindly thighs with there missiles but instead but circle to face him and pew-pew-pew with the lasers! They have there artilery aimed at the bridge with their men on, shooting you when you cross, wtf shoot the [censored] Citadel!

The tactics displayed by the US Army is a joke, a terrible, un-funny joke which will loom over Fallout canon for a long time, "Enclave right, soldier guy [censored] which can't do [censored]." From here on out, any Enclave mentioned in-game will have to talk about their defeat in D.C., that is what [censored] annoys me about F3.

Mr Enclave fo2 Enclave were defeted as well. Why does that not piss you off???

Is it because it was Fo2 then the series was bought by another company??????

I just don t understand?????? fo2 Enclave defeted fo3 Enclave defeted.......... What is the difference???????

Yeah obviously I'm just bigotted, sorry for not going into a complete tangent when we were talking about F3, gotta keep everything neutral; from here on out no matter the arguement I will balance every bad thing I say about F3 with something about Fallout 2. I mean come on man, this isn't the place for discussing Fallout 2, you're talking about 3, why in the name of God would I just happen to mention Fallout 2 when we are talking about F3, especially when this thread is not a comparison of the two.

Of course it pisses me off, it's ridiculous that an outsider infiltrated an Enclave base, that no-one on the Enclave detected the Oil Tanker docking. What didn't happen was a military blunder, jesus [censored] christ they could have destroy Prime in seconds, they came up from behind him, shoot his [censored] legs with missiles; it just makes the Enclave look incompetant, they were all ready for war in F3 and had artillery trained to shoot the bridge, which they were [censored] on.

In Fallout 2 I can sort of justify some of it but it still doesn't make what is supposed to be the most powerful faction in Fallout, best trained, best equipped and such look like dumb-asses; unlike F3 where they just look up at Prime and shoot it with small arms, turns the Enclave into cannon fodder, you could get through all of Fallout 2 without shooting a single one and if you ran into any hostile ones you were 9/10 [censored].

Now I feel better that u said both games made them look dumb.

I know you think there is no such thing is evil, but IMO this is why Enclave makes these blunders in both games.

Bad guys must lose. If they make Enclave more realistic in the way they operated they would win. So they only solution is to have them do some dumb stuff, so they lose.

If Enclave wins then fo ends, because they will kill everyone one earth but them selves. So Enclave must lose.......

Yeah, I know that unfortunate fact that unless I want my Enclave made the [censored] of mainlanders then they must lose; of course Bethesda could have just not included them at all, or not pussed out and made Broken Steel so that maybe one day somebody could revist D.C. and have the Enclave "victory" as the canonical ending... but let's not get anymore off-topic.

AHH I made the topic and I don t mind it straying off topic a little (or a lot.) You already answered the topic question long ago.

I didnt play f02, but in fo3 after they destroyed prime, there is no way bos could have won without the player. Enclave men slapped bos and outcasts every time they saw them in game.

Good thing the lone wanderer was there to stop them.

What if I didn't want to?

Yeah yeah, no sane person would help the Enclave/work against the BoS, but this is an RPG remember. It's not always what you think, but if you make a character capable of blowing up Megaton for a mere 300 caps (or whatever) just because your employer thought the town was an eye-sore from his balcony, then WHY THE UFCK CAN'T YOU HELP THE ENCLAVE? Because would a sane person nuke a [censored] town for that [censored] ass [censored] Tennpenny just because he didn't like the look of it?! Is that any less psychotic?!