I was sitting down talking to Ceaser the other day, and he said they captured Brotherhood sribes further east.

That has to be the mid west bos. He also said they didn t even know the name of the bos founder. That really made me think its mid west bos.

Question is how could cl possibly capture Brotherhood scribes?

This leads me to two conclusions about the mid west bos.

1- They are really small and weak......... scribes would be the last people to get captured. They hang out and do scribe stuff at the bases. How could cl fight through walking tanks to capture scribes?

2. The mid west bos is so huge that they are expanding into cl territory, and a small outpost was over run by many cl.

I also heard on this board that Bethesda asked Obsidian to stay away from AZ, because they had somthing planed for AZ. IDK if its true.....

Could fo4 be a cl, mid west bos fo?

Please feel free to speculate, because I am at a loss on how cl could capture bos scribes.

The scribes could be scavenging in a small ruin for tech and Legion found them.
The rest you know I guess

Why would Scribes be scavenging and especially east of the Mojave. We see in New Vegas that Paladins do the scavenging.

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I'm sure not all scribes stay at hq; arent there scribes in fo3's library?

I'm sure there will be some occasions where field work is necessary or at least more desirable than letting the "spam-cans" rip device x out and drag it home.

Same BoS are were knights are just different types of soldiers.

Interesting news. If this is true. Scribes don't just hang around the base, at least not in the Midwestern BoS. They very well could have been out researching some ruins and were captured by the Legion.

Did he say how far east? Did he make it clear these were not like the BoS in the Mojave?

Fallout 4 being Caesars Legion vs Midwestern BoS :ermm: Not sure I like that. Then again it would mean they arn't some small group dying out in Chicago.

Yes there was 1 scribe in the Arlington library, but there were also at least 8 bos pa soilders in there too.

I guess it is logical that a scribe would be needed in the field at some point to get a high tech device.

Still you would think they would be heavily guarded by (as Raul says) "guys that like to dress up as tanks." I can honesty see 3 bos paladins with gauss rifles killing at least 50 cl lore wise.

The only way I can see cl killing pa bos is if those guard guys with ballistic fists got in close somehow. Maybe cl infiltrated with spy people and got it done like that.

Ceaser doesn t say "a scribe", he says Brotherhood scribes.

Also have to remember Rook. Not everyone in the Midwestern BoS gets to use Power Armour or the use of the best weapons. The people sent to guard the scribes very well may have only had leather armour and a handgun. IE noobies.

Don't you rescue a Brotherhood scribe or scientist from raiders in Tactics? Mission three, I think. It was some early mission at least.

That means scribes can be captured by simple raiders, then Legion would have no problem either. Especially not if scribes are doing field work where they find machines that need to be studied in place, and the soldiers guarding them are just mere soldiers with leather armor and hunting rifles.

Yep , http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Diesoon

Wow nice find. -braces self for Fallout 4 speculation-

This is true.

I think Rooks made some good points though. You wouldn't think that the MWBOS and CL would ever really meet. But this could mean that either a CL long patrol encountered a fairly undefended BOS outpost/scavenge mission, or a long-patrol BOS mission got caught up by CL troops. It doesn't necessarily reveal that either the MWBOS is weak or that it has greatly expanded.

TBH, the vast majorityof the US is East of Vegas.

The problem with having a bunch of spam can around guarding a scribe (or scribe team) in a high tech facility is it sends a big message to all around that there's something valuable there - not unlike driving a rolls Royce in the slums.

There could be times where a limited presence is more desirable; to avoid attention.

It doesn't necessarily mean they were Midwestern BoS. I am not sure of Caesar talking about taking BoS. Not that I am saying Rook is wrong or lying. Was it when they talk about the Auto Doc?

Just because those they captured did not know who the founder of the BoS was doesn't mean much. Would Caesar even know who Roger Maxson was? There are people that don't even know who the first president of America was. Maybe the BoS they captured did their duty and gave Caesar as little info as they could.

Ceaser knows who Maxon is, because he said we caught Brotherhood scribes farther east who don t even know who their founder is, Roger Maxon.

You would think if it was western bos they would most certainly know who he is, because they follow the old dumb codex so closely. Now a group that hasn t givin a crap about the codex for 80 years, takes in new blood, and who has possibly had 4 generations of born may not know who Maxon is.

Ceaser says this when he tells you to kill them. You ask if there is another way, then there is a choice to ask him " what do you think about the bos?" That is when he says it.

He says farther east I m thinking east of cl country. Any futher east is cl land. This doesn t seem like wester bos. 1000 caps says everyone of them know Roger Maxon before they get their first laser pistol.

Even Lyons bos has his whole story on a PC. Lyons bos hasn t been away for 80 years. They still care...... Plus they have the Maxon kid just incase they even thought of not giving a crap.

If it's true and he is referring to Midwest Brotherhood, I hope it doesn't mean MWB vs. CL in Arizona for the next game. Though a game set in Arizona with a group of Midwestern Brotherhood that aren't necessarily going for full on war with CL would be good.

I see, then that is indeed an intresting find. Wasteland recruit in to the BoS most likely would not know who Roger Maxson is. Wonder where they were captured. Best bet would be Colorado. Which would add more confirmation that the Midwestern BoS did make it to Vault Zero in Colorado. Lyons saying the BoS are small group and yet Caesar's Legion is making contact with them would suggest Midwestern Strongholds, that something caused the Midwestern BoS to fall on hard times which forced them back to strongholds across the Midwest :shifty:

I can't see Fallout 4 being Legion vs Midwestern BoS because New Vegas makes it clear the Legion wants to take over NCR. Their main goal is to conquer the West.

Maybe the MWBOS want to take Arizona

The fo tactics map looks like it covers several states when I look at it on wiki. It may be as far west as New Mexico or the Dakotas IDK.

If mid west bos is big, and NCR gives cl a straight flush in NV, then pursues them................. Its mid west bos time. If they are serious...

Wouldn't that counter what we learned in Fallout 3? The "Fallen on Hard Times" and are just a small group. Last part can easly be changed to Lyons being dooped by the Midwestern BoS. If the Midwestern BoS are still a powerful faction going from Chicago to Colorado. Why have they not made contact with the Original BoS, which was their goal?

Don't get me wrong having them as a strong power would be good. So long as they are a darker, more militant verion of the BoS, like they http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtXhuaTcohY If http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZcpcO7C58 happened I would be happy.

CL won t have a choice in the matter. If the NCR wins, and mid west bos feel it time to make a move (if they are big) CL might just get crushed.

Where you come in is that part about humans joining the MLA.

The choice of a life time would be dark powerful bos, rather good MLA,or a crippled fleeing cl.

The next engine may have a map nodes system that has nodes as big as point look out or bigger.

Rockstar maps seem bigger. Like rdr really isn t mape nodes, but the different parts of that map are huge.

Depending on what the new engine can do you could cover more ground. I d take map nodes as long as the nodes were huge.

Or they could do it like Rockstar maps and just have a loading screen and it brings up a whole new open world.

Win nv or lose cl could still be in the game. Ceaser said NV would be his Rome. They are not going to abandon owned territory. The Roman Legions held way,way,way,way more ground than Rome.

I say they lose, but they still have AZ, CO

Maybe they did.

Maybe they did send scouts to cali, learned that the ncr had em trapped in their bunker and decided they were unworthy of help.

That could be the case but the Midwestern BoS were so close to contacting the Original BoS around 2197 or so. NCR had yet to force the BoS into their bunkers. We don't know if they have at all, only with the Mojave BoS. Fallout 2 shows BoS and NCR geting along, BoS have a bunker in Shady Sands.

That and Lyons had no contact with them until they got to to Chicago. They could have just gone around their lands without knowing it.

They are unworthy of help except Veronica or any that think like her. People like her just might quit anyway, because they get real tired of trying to tell people with no brain something.

The mid west is big Lyons bos ( in wiki lol ) Was said to be a small but capable group. mid west is a whole lot of ground to walk around lol. Look at the tactics map it is like 3 states easy lol

Lyons and them were way too pumped for DC to spend 12 years looking for mid west bos.

If they call me to fix cl, then they will be neat and dangerous. Then I wouldn t mind having them.

I M STILL WAITING FOR THE CALL BETHESDA OR OBSIDIAN.

They can have mid west bos/ CL/MLA/Talon comp/NCR/1 Enclave base with 30 men. As long as I die at the end of non- canon endings I ll be happy.