they also have a perk called Ranger Toughness that gives them +30% DT, do the Centurions have anything like this? No. Ranger Vets are also level 25-30, what level are Centurions? 12-16.

And the Ranger Armor is better than the Centurion Armor.

Even though the Centurion armor has parts of Power Armor on it.

Yes they should definitely be buffed either by increasing there level or giving them a unique perk.

Centurion armor is composed of legionarrie armor as a base, its left arm and shoulder is power armor, its left arm glove waist and shoulder are NCR ranger armor, its shinguards and kneeguards are combat armor, legionarrie boots, the briastplate is super mutant armor as is the helmet with an an added horizontal flair.

Caesar got defected Centurion in the Fort......

Actually, I think there should be less Centurion, but more Prime Decanus (like Dead Sea or tougher). I believe Centurions in CL are still "head of hundred men" , yet we only see 20 of them by themselves in 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam

As for stats for Centurion, I though they are pretty good (like 350hp? with their Centurion Armour, than Marksmen Carbine and AMR?) I think what they need is the DR like Veteran Rangers.

Beef em up and give them a perk like vets.
Centurions are UNDERPOWERED and obsidian needs to stop being bias and fix this problem

So you're okay with them being level twelve? I am pro-NCR most of the time, but i need a worthy adversary on the legion side. They should be equipped with 12.7mm SMGs.

yah really...But the centurions should stay how they are they dont need to be improved upon because they get wrecked by a VET anyways.

yup never would have thought that pieces of other armor would be soo good. WRONG it would have severe flaws in it. Many weak spots since its not fully pieced together. Just because it has pieces of power armor on it doesnt mean its good at all.

Wow that logic is... illogical. The Centurion should be TOUGHER than the Vet Ranger, it's non-negotiable that they are, by lore, the most powerful soldier class in the Legion, and Legion soldiers, by lore, are the tougest soldiers in the wasteland.

No there doing what is right. they shouldnt have this person that uses Melee weapons more than half the time to be so powerful or favored.

Just because there the toughest ones in the CL doesnt mean that there tough in the NCR also. Also thats by lore, Look on at hands on game-play it tells you how good they are...not very good either. The NCR vets are supposed to be the elite of the elite in the NCR and they are. Even in the CL they are. Considering one killed a Centurion with its bare hands.

Wouldnt surviving for at least a decade in the most brutal army of the wastes, killing hundreds and partaking in compaigns, using only Melee weapons, make you tough? They are tough because they have used Melee weapons as their primary weapons and survived, killing hundreds... Your argument is... wow... you brought up how weak they are in the game... THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS WRONG! THEY SHOULD NOT BE THAT WEAK FOR WHO THEY ARE, THEY ARE [censored] CENTURIONS!

yah and the VETS are [censored] elite snipers for godsakes. They take out the cream puffs like them for a living and make quick work out of them. They are probably so cheap by sneaking up by someone with a knife and killing them with it. Brutal army ha! dont make me laugh they are a bunch of savages please.

There is absolutely no point in arguing with epicness, Mako. Unless you want to develop a brain tumor of course.

yes of course no point in arguing with Body massage over here unless you want to turn into a total [censored] of course. Im sorry that i only make acuatully facts other than pulling them out of thin air.

Centurions are [censored] elite battle commanders that have killed hundreds of enemy warriors face-to-face.


Where does the lore say that? Dont talk about gameplay, that's the problem, a Centurion is not a [censored] "cream puff", Centurions are [censored] elite battle commanders that have killed hundreds of enemy warriors face-to-face.


Centurions dont do that, they charge straight through explosions, fire, and bullet storms and kill their all of their enemies with their hands. Vet Rangers "elite snipers", like shooting a man from 1000 yards away is so honorable... Centurions kill a man while looking him in the eyes, supposing he hasnt already torn them out.


Okay now you are just ignoring the lore of the game.

So what you saying is that oliver and Maybe Ceaser arent elite battle commanders just because maybe they didnt kill hundreds of people to their face.Kinda repeated the last sentence. Why shouldnt i talk about gameplay. I cant play with the lore can I? and if it was in lore why arent they like that in the game.

-Really.... its unhonorable to kill someone 1000 yards away. Its called using you brain. they dont see you therefore thats another day your alive. Its also called tactics...unlike the Centurion "uhhh Der umm gonna run right up In them guys Uhhh derrr." yah thats totatly smart.... They are brain dead people that do only what they are told and nothing else.

No, Oliver and Caesar are not battle commanders, a battle commander i on the battlefield leading the troops into the fray personally. Gameplay should accuratly represent the lore, that is the point of this thread. Yes, sniping is a smarter approach, and charging is stupid, but which one makes you the toughest sonofagun around, which makes you stronger, faster, and more flexible in dangerous situations? if you can survive using dumb tactics like that for at least a decade and winning, killing hundreds at close range, sure it is stupid, but it is a hell of a lot tougher.

The vets are quite flexiable and smart. They dont have all that training and years of combat experience to become what they are now. Its not called being tough its called being stupid. If you charge your enemy head on your dead i dont care what lore says or gameplay your going to be [censored] dead. espically if your a battle commander that would be severly stupid to charge your enemy head one. Sniping makes you think and also makes you more expriance with learning the enemies techniques.

Therefore you are lost.

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is lore like freaking history or something. Plus i am not lost im using simple common logic. Charge into battle< Not charging into battle. Stay hidden> Fully exposed.

Lore>Gameplay.

Two men.

One is a sniper, the other a man with a machete.

One kills people from afar, the other up close.

Both kill hundreds of enemies.

Which is tougher?

The man who dealt with his enemies face-to-face.

You didnt answer my question of what is Lore. Plus The one that kills people with machetes is probably tougher but STUPID. Also i wouldnt expect him to live more than a month on the field so therefore he wouldnt have killed hundreds simple as that.

When you disregard the lore you've already lost. No exceptions.

I also want to point out that the Legion has no trouble what-so-ever when it comes to acquiring firearms. AMRs, marksman carbines, hunting shotguns, brush Guns, you name it. They have quite an exquisite array of weaponry.




Nice straw man, bro.