i think they should have 2 to 4 hounds with them and call them battle hardened hounds with a dog version of centurian armer

...why?

because i think it would be funny im easily amused

Well, Epicness, i have looked over your arguments, and i have to tell you, realism doesnt really apply to combat in Fallout, it is stat-based, like an RPG should be, and Centurions, in lore, are told to be extremely tough battle-hardened battlefield commanders who have killed hundreds in battle with guns and melee weapons, and in the game they are the late-game NPC for the Legion, and following lore, should be physically superior to their NCR counterpart, the NCR Vet, but the NCR Vet should have better long range ability.

But clearly they are not... And im suppose to believe that balonge about Centurions. It doesnt make sense and is far to far fetched to grasp. That has to be the biggest load of crap. NCR vets would be far supior to a Melee using Legion.

By "balance the game at different points" I mean they adjusted some value, than move on and adjust something else, without coming back to compare the difference between Ranger Vets and Centurions.

Centurions dont realy need a buff i just think the ranger perk needs go away

Cut out the offensive pvssyr. Explain this statement, why, exactly, should an NCR Vet Ranger be more durable than a Centurion?

@Theb, no, they do need a buff, or the Vets need a nerf, because the NCR Vets have too much health for being snipers and the Legion Cents have too little health for being melee fighters.

Lets seee they dont use a piece of mix matched peices of armor which would have flaws. Undoublty they shoudnt be alive going head strong into a Army and not dying seems far fetched. Vets have supeior weaponry, tatics, and Armor. Not to mention they have several ranger moves.

but the vets also have riot armor wile the Centurions wear to me what appears to be football gear to me that is not build for bullet stoping its built for more or less blunt damage from a mele wepon or fists i think a bullet would slice through it like butter

because it would because its mixed up pieces of rubish armor that would have plenty of flaws.

1. Vets have a chestpiece, helmet, and JEANS. The Cents armor may be patchwork but its pieces are from the best armor of the game series, and they overlap, leaving few gaps, the Vets have their entire lower body exposed.
2. There is no disputing that, the mere existence of Centurions proves you wrong.
3. Weaponry: Brush Gun, Ranger Sequoia / Marksman Carbine, Super Sledge, Thermic Lance, Trail Carbine. Tactics: Shoot them from far away, use a powerful revolver at close range / Shoot them from far away, use powerful melee weapons at close range. Armor: Chestpiece, a helmet, and a pair of jeans / Chestpiece and helmet from super mutant armor, one arm covered in the armpiece of Power Armor, waistband the other armpiece of NCR Ranger Armor, shin and knee guards from Combat Armor, and a thick skirt allowing high mobility.
4. They have one, and Centurions have one too. Ranger Takedown is defensive, Legion Assault is offensive, i'd say the balance eachother out.

@ Theb, you are thinking of Legionary armor, which svcks, but Cent armor is made of the best parts of high-grade armor they have taken off those that they have killed, including super mutants, guys in Power Armor (BoS?), and NCR Rangers.

i dont understand how they get the power armored parts to work i thought they were powered but used hydrolics or somthing like that so in theory they souldnt be able to lift there arm unless the parts are self contained

That is all wrong you just cant take random pieces of armor and think its gona work perfect there would be Flaws. The mere existance of Centurions is like saying santa clause is real. It cant happen. the fact that they are "alive" is because of reasons unexplained and lore doesnt make sense to say that they should be alive.

I assume they did what the NCR did for their Heavy Troopers, stripping out the servos, but it still is an extremely tough piece of armor.

@Epicness Dear god man, i just facepalmed in real life, i cant continue this, you are far too biased to convince. Everything i said was fact, backed by lore, and examples in gameplay.

ok but its should be lashed togeather or some thing tho mis matched pieces just dont stick well i guess this is fallout tho...

@ epic its kind of hard to crate a backstory of every Centurion and justify why they are badass and what they did to become badass same for the vets

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You cant go off lore when lore doesnt go off common sense. Yes in the gameplay the NCR vet is better just watch the vid where 6 centurions takeon 2 Vets its a massacre and its on the CL side

and how does the NCR Vet Ranger make sense? He has over 250 health and 30% DR. he is damn near invincible, how does this make more sense than the Centurion's existence?

i think dr needs to go away from the vets to me breaks the whole we arent using dr but dt system....

I think that the NCR Veteran Ranger should not be changes, but only if Centurions are buffed to have 300 health, and have 30% DR as well.

then i demand being able to use casadore venom as a means for poisoning both of them please.... :cookie:

They are supposed to be the toughest NPCs of the factions, NCR Vets being slightly less durable, but while they are not as adept at CQC (but they are still pretty good), specialize in gunfighting. Centurions on the other hand are more durable and specialize in CQC, but are not as adept at gunfighting (But are still pretty good).

but mele in this game comes down to swish swish stab so anybody can do it they need more complicated moves for them to perform then

Not so, this is an RPG, and your skill relies on your... well, skill points. ATM the NCR Vets have 100 in every combat skill, which is ridiculous, and the Centurions have 76 at the highest and lower in others, which is even more ridiculous, i say that they rebalance the veterans of both factions

Centurion should be level 25, have 300 HP, 100 Melee Weapons, 75 Guns, 80 Unarmed, and a high STR, AGI, and END
V-Ranger should be level 25, have 250 HP, 75 Melee Weapons, 100 Guns, 75 Unarmed, and a high STR, AGI, and END.

do vets even car melee wepons? i cant get my geck to work outside of going into my file system and injecting the exe code for geck its troublesome